I don't disagree with the trial and error and developing new ideas..

And I agree with your idea of the car that handles in most conditions and can still throw a nice beat down at the track.. Heck, thats why I prefer to drive my Evo over the Malibu..

But sometimes I do take a step back and look at what others are doing and ways I can improve on it. On the other hand, I also just jumped all over a new product because I see the merits of it. Hopefully my efforts and instincts will pay off.

Besides, why reinvent the wheel, You've already done most of the exact same things I was initially going to try, some worked, some didnt, but I learned something from everything I've seen/read/tried.

I've just made way too many expensive mistakes on my race cars in the past that although I try to innovate, I've become a bit more practical since I can't afford to nuke any more $10k engines, worse is the chassis I have is nowhere near as well rounded as the Evo's.. But thanks to the R&D that everyone has contributed to the Evo, my costs have been reasonable and in under a year, is routinely putting 11 and 12 second cars on the road for a few thousand dollars.. Compare that to 4 or 5 years of working with different engine and chassis combos on other cars and countless problems and money spent on experiments that still didn't yield gains like we're seeing on this car.

I admire all of you guys who have the time and money to cut into the bleeding edge. It breaks the barriers for most of us. (and some of us may be fortunate to lock onto something that has been overlooked by optimizing whats already there)

 

I'm saying it's kinda impratical. 11's is a pratical street car.

I have seen a low 10 sec 1g DSM that competed in the pro drag circuit and street legal. It was great for the track, but on the street the lag was unbearable for the driver. When he competed against the pro, his car wasn't fast enough to even compete effectively. In the end, he gave up and parted his car.

I have also seen a Viper w/ a blower on the track hitting 10's and street legal. With the money invested in that monster, I don't know if he drives it every day to work. To me, it doesn't take much for an uninsured driver to wipe out your investment in a matter of few secs.

Best example of impratical HP is the Norris Evo . . . people won't even use most of its HP/TQ, just like those 1000 HP Supras. Too scary to even drive in the rain.

 

yea no kidding, a shop i got some work done at worked up a 503 whp Si which i have mentioned in other places, now a tiny civic daily driver with 500 whp, its one of those cars where your scared to pull the rpms up, you get sweaty palms and the hairs on the back of ur neck stand up when your doing 60 at barely any throttle, lol, you get used to it.. to a point, but like most are saying, its flat out not practical, why have a daily driver that your scared to drive?? lol, and some may say that you do not have to drive it hard on the street, thats right, but if its a daily driver, and your not using a car like an evo or Si to its full rpms, then you just arent driving the engine properly, an Si was made to rev to 7,000+ or it just would be a regular car, so thin kabout pracitcality, and im not saying dont build a good track car, if you got th emoeny, go for it, thats a lota fun too

 

hey guys my evo makes 447whp on pump gas @22psi greedy t67 and it drives daily better than stock(all can tell you that)any way my 2 cents

 

I don't get the whole "10-second daily driver, etc." thing. It's like having a 12-inch johnson. Sounds good in theory, but then it's a pain, impractical, etc. etc...

 

explain how a 12-inch johnson would be a pain? if you had a dick that big you wouldnt instantly be a **** star **** *****es and make lots of money, tell me where thats a pain?

 

If you have to ask that question, you must still be a virgin...

Seriously, I don't understand the rationale for wanting it to do all of those things. If you have the money to build a 10-second daily driver, aren't there better choices than the Evo for that? (Keep in mind I'm referring to a drag-oriented car) Maybe it's the whole "macho drag-racing" thing, but I don't get how the 1/4 mile (or even 0-60 times) is the definitive measure. So many more things comprise an outstanding car. Compromises in reliability, comfort, durability, noise, etc. will have to result in making such a focused vehicle. Pursuing the idea from an engineering standpoint is something I can understand, but if it's just for bragging rights, then I don't get it.

On a final note, it is mighty impressive to see 500+ awhp being put down...

 

Dude.. Most women would be scared off if they REALLY saw something that large coming at them (no pun intended).

The evo is a good example of "Its the artist, not the size of the brush" Just remember, a Giant brush will paint the walls.. But its the details that will change someones life..

And this went VERY off topic, so I'm not contributing to this particular direction anymore..

HOWEVER EVO_O8 is a good example of what I meant by the big turbo not being as big a sacrifice as many percieve.. since in general you end up producing more horsepower than stock even at lower RPM's before the boost gets to peak.. so the car won't feel handicapped at all in daily driving situations, its not like the car suddenly became heavier..

 

Do you have a 1/4 mile time to go along with that 447 HP?

 

oh oh let me try to guess:

Pruven FMIC
Perrin Exhaust
UR High flow Cat
Walboro 255
Injectors (size?)
Upgrades fuel rail
GT35 turbo kit
Port & Polished head
Ferra valve train (springs & retainers)
Tein Coil overs
Jun Cams
Exedy Clutch (could have changed that)
Steel clutch line
Steel braided brake lines (I think)
Pistons and Rods
Head and Rod studs
Short shifter
MBC
Dynoflash and Emanage
Custom DP
Custom Roll Cage

ummm ummm thats all I can think of. Al am I close?

 

Yeah we are still waiting when Al gets the time.

 

fixed some of it for you...

 

Believe it or not, I was under Al's hood last Sunday and he still has the stock fuel rail.
He said the stock rail supplies plenty even at his power level.