yes but in most Tunable EM solutions that run with the stock ECU can run the stock ECUs programmed knock control system.

Xede can and I do. I don't know about the other piggy back products.

Reflash is a really good option. The factory ECU is a great unit. Tuned correctly it can make alot of power with all the factory safty in place with full knock control. But Some short commings are with ablity of user interface, and with piggy backs like Xede that can adjust timing in 1/10th instead of whole degrees like the stock unit the gains in power are higher. Also if it's time to sell your car you can sell you hardware or just remove it for dealer visits. Also no Down time with modding. Mod your car and upload a base map and have fun. With the ECU you can't get back any money for it when your ready to get rid of it.

IMHO

Eric

 

Nothing's ever simple here. Each of the computer solutions available fill their own niche.

Dynoflash mail in is the "get it and forget it" solution which works pretty darn good (I chose it myself).

For the highly tuned cars, once it's fully modded, I'd put a dynoflash custom tune against an XEDE, but the XEDE has the ability to be changed by the customer, and can dynamically change with EACH mod, while the reflash will need to be redone with each mod.

For those of us sticking with the stock exhaust until it rusts out, this is the best option. For those who can afford to play, other options might be more flexible with each individual change.

Just my $0.02.

Shawn

 

Good points

It may be hard to recover value from the old WRX unichips at this juncture

But most piggy backs do carry a resale value

I have decided to offer a new Dyno Flash pioneering, cutting edge, and inovative idea as follows

ALL DYNO FLASH CUSTOMERS

You can now SELL your Dyno Flash to another board memeber and I will install if FREE into the other guys car and give him a new and updated version

hence you retain value in your Dyno Flash which can be sold to the next user

You must send in your Dyno Flash and have the tune removed an then I will transfer a new tune to the person you select

MY pridiction is that your re-sale value on the transfered Dyno Flash will be just about the regular retail price of $199.99

The only loss here is the fed ex fees to send it here and back to restore the stock flash

Of course the custom tuned guys can only sell a base reflash to the next user - BUT at least you are now recovering $199.99 or so if you decide to sell the car or what ever

Just another Dyno Flash innovation

 

Let's see, I could pay you $200 for the real thing or I could buy the Dynoflash from another prior customer and have to trust it's the real deal.

Would he send you his ECU, and I'd send you mine? Or could we chisel it out of his ECU and then I'd send you mine with the e-proms? what if they broke? Would both cars be down and I'd be out the money and the Fed-ex bills? Will his car still run?

http://www.fedex.com/ratefinder/shipInfo
FedEx Priority Overnight®
10:30am the next business day to most cities
$38.58

FedEx Standard Overnight®
3:00pm the next business day to most cities
$34.89

2 ECUs there and back is $140. That's a lot of money. So I'd pay $60 for the Dynoflash?


What if they got mixed up? What if the guy had a bogus DynoFlash and it was from a different tuner? Now both cars are down and you've got our ECUs.

It's a nice thought Al, but it seems to me for all of the hassels, these will sell at a steep discount, unless I'm missing something.... .

 

i just sold the xede,about to send my ecu to al.i like the get it and forget it thing.if your not a tuner you dont need to be tuning

 

Good points !~

Lets break it down - customer A just bought a Dyno Flash tune - he decides either

1 - he wants to sell his car and get a 350 Z,

2 - he cant afford his evo insurance payments

3 - he wants to upgrade to a HKS F-con pro

4 - what ever other reason he wants to cash out of the Dyno Flash

so - he makes a listing on the FOR SALE form here or on his local evo club or where ever - maybe E bay

If it's retailing for $199.99 now for example

Let say he asks $179.99 or even $189.99

Someone wants to save a few bucks - CALL him buyer B

So A and B strike a deal

A sends in his ecu and flashes it back to stock

(I have every single one of my tunes recorded with the individual SUM CODE to verify that his tune is a real Dyno Flash)

Then B is all set to send his his ecu just like a brand new Dyno Flash through the mail customer and get a brand new Dyno flash installed into his own ecu - he sends his list of mods and he will get the flash shich si tuned for his set up

I hope you follow my idea now

I am going to make cetificates up next week to send out with the flash so that the owners will have the certificate of transfer to sell

Kind of similar to a extened warranty plan which is transferable

I know its more work for me - BUT - I am sick of the same "the piggy back has a re-sale arguments"

PS - fed ex fees are sometimes a pain of the business - however - peopel with second cars can do ups ground and also anyone can come to my shop or meet me at one of my tuning trips

 

I recently sold my Unichip for $96 on Ebay, so don't count on great return on your hardware investment. The Unichip is probably the worst case, but it's best to expect the worst and be pleasantly suprised with anything better.

 

oddly - the ole unichips seem to work great in Porsche turbos

it just seems that the map switching of the WRX renderd any piggy back impotent to handle the job

I'll never forget the frustration of making huge power at costly dyno sessions only to wind up pulling timing and making 50 less whp by the time i got to the track later the same day

 

Well i'd firstly like to thank everyone for their insight. I have come to the conclusion that I should first mod my car to my satisfaction ( I want intake, cams, walbro fuel pumps, DP, GREDDY BOV, and turbo upgrade package that works? is fabricating) then I will get the flash to accomodate these mods. If i am wrong in this approach, please let me know but thanks all again for your opinions. I am new to all this stuff, having owned a supercharged mustang that i just slapped the SC on with a nice exhaust and off I went.
thanks again
RAJ

 

Sounds like a great plan! depending on your budget and how long it will take to complete your mods you may wish to consider the through the mail reflash to use in the meantime as the fee to upgrade is only $100 for another through the mail flash and $350 to custom tune it. Personally, i would not want to drive an evo one day without a retune / flash. Its just that much better with a proper tune

 

Al,
I think we all here appreciate your good customer service.

However, my $0.02 as a business owner myself.

You're working it too hard.

What you're selling with your DynoFlash is your expertise and time. Some people might be swayed to your service by this promise, but the extra time and expense to get these few extra customers will not be good business for you. You gotta eat and make a living.

You offer a good product. You do a good job. You provide good customer service. Let us (the existing customers) sing your praises and convince the doubters. I don't think you have to bend over backwards to get the extra business. I think we all appreciate the thought, but your product and service sell themselves. You just need a little more exposure like some other vendors got (for free, I might add).

Shawn

 

Thanks for the support.

I don't anticipate a lot of extra work - actually the statistics on people switching away from Dyno Flash is less than 1%

Its not that great a sacrifice for me to make in sales to allow those few guys getting rid of thier cars or upgrading to a full stand alone the chance to recover some of thier original investment

My calculation is that the extra sales gererated by providing this offer will more than compensate for any time incurred in trsnfering reflashes

I guesss you can say i am very confident that most of my customers will love the Dyno Flash so much they will never give it up

I am trying to attract those few customers who see this as a waste of money but giving it some re-sale value on the other end

Thansk again for your kind advice

I'll be watching this program to see when and if any adjustments will need to be made

 

It's your dime. Hope you're right.

Shawn

 

Nice Idea!!

 

This person needs to be taken for intense mental evaluation immediately!

Evo>>>>>>>>>350Z