444 whp on Buschur Flash Stage 4 w/ BR 500 turbo
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Az3ar,
I'd like to jump in here if I may. I don't know what is going on exactly with the cars on the dyno but to be honest the spool up sucks. Pulling the car from a low rpm in 4th gear it doesn't spool on the dyno. Maybe it is the load, not sure. On the street with this BR500 and the BR580 kit if you put the car into 1-4th gear and hit the throttle at say....2500 rpm by 3,000 rpm they make right at 10 psi and by 3800 the boost gauge is at 20 psi and climbing so fast at that point that 30 psi will be there at 4,000.
That is what he meant.
Also, Al made it clear in his first post the car was tuned on C16 and he used his mild pump gas tune in the car, just turned up the boost. In other words he feels that if he had gotten aggressive on the timing and AFR maps then he could have made more power. Instead he ran high boost with a "pump gas" map in the car and this is what it made.
Take it easy on the guy, he did a great job tuning the car, look at the graph.
We only made 505 whp with that turbo on a 2wd dyno, with the AEM EMS and using our ported cylinder head on 118 octane. Doing 444 with C16, stock head, stock bottom end, stock MAS, no stand alone and on an AWD dyno is pretty damn amazing to me.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I'd like to jump in here if I may. I don't know what is going on exactly with the cars on the dyno but to be honest the spool up sucks. Pulling the car from a low rpm in 4th gear it doesn't spool on the dyno. Maybe it is the load, not sure. On the street with this BR500 and the BR580 kit if you put the car into 1-4th gear and hit the throttle at say....2500 rpm by 3,000 rpm they make right at 10 psi and by 3800 the boost gauge is at 20 psi and climbing so fast at that point that 30 psi will be there at 4,000.
That is what he meant.
Also, Al made it clear in his first post the car was tuned on C16 and he used his mild pump gas tune in the car, just turned up the boost. In other words he feels that if he had gotten aggressive on the timing and AFR maps then he could have made more power. Instead he ran high boost with a "pump gas" map in the car and this is what it made.
Take it easy on the guy, he did a great job tuning the car, look at the graph.
We only made 505 whp with that turbo on a 2wd dyno, with the AEM EMS and using our ported cylinder head on 118 octane. Doing 444 with C16, stock head, stock bottom end, stock MAS, no stand alone and on an AWD dyno is pretty damn amazing to me.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
No one attacked AL and no one is trying to prove any point here like you are. It's a fact that every car that we drive on the streets from home to work everyday including mine is way de-tuned. Shiv could of easily pumped my power but he was looking for the best reliable power that he could get for me as my EVO is my daily car. Having a tuner say (oh I could have made more power is none sense because we all know here that you could of) However, the car would have ran like S hit on the streets. I know, I know cars load and build boost slower on dynos but not much on dynojets as they have one roller as you know not 2 as dyno dynamics which requires a lot of effort to spool faster. The numbers are great and I am glad that you turbo kit (BR) finally made some numbers with stage 4 that puts us in the price range of $5000 which is no where near what I spent. Anyways nice numbers, and good work AL
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I am very happy that this car's dyno results have sparked some excitement and attention. I can only tell you guys if you really want to experience something really special and very exciting you have to experience the Buschur Stage 4 with the BR 500 first hand. The dyno chart is impressive but the "feel" and driveability of the whole package is really amazing. When you select the right parts and put it together properly the sum of the parts adds up to something much more than you could possibly expect!
As more of these kits get out there you will be hearing from some of the very happy owners who get to feel that top end power!
I would suggest the Buschur head and valve springs if you want to rev it a bit higher.
Of course with a built bottom end you would have a power band up to 9,000 which would be totaly insane
And for those of you who think Buschur only builds drag racing cars - I encourage you to examine the TIME ATTACK issue of the Sport Compact Car Magazine where Robert Fuller kicked some serious butt on the road course with the Buschur Stage 4 and the custom tuned Buschur Flash
Also - please look forward to reading the upcomming Sport Compact car Ultimate Street Car challenge where you can see how this very same kit with BR500 and AEM fared in that contest !
As more of these kits get out there you will be hearing from some of the very happy owners who get to feel that top end power!
I would suggest the Buschur head and valve springs if you want to rev it a bit higher.
Of course with a built bottom end you would have a power band up to 9,000 which would be totaly insane
And for those of you who think Buschur only builds drag racing cars - I encourage you to examine the TIME ATTACK issue of the Sport Compact Car Magazine where Robert Fuller kicked some serious butt on the road course with the Buschur Stage 4 and the custom tuned Buschur Flash
Also - please look forward to reading the upcomming Sport Compact car Ultimate Street Car challenge where you can see how this very same kit with BR500 and AEM fared in that contest !
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
It will be interesting after we run across a customer with a built motor to see what kind of power the BR580 or the AMS kit can make through the reflash
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Originally Posted by fimotorsports
maybe we can arrange something to test a flash on my AMS gt35r kit.
I would like to see a reflashed 500 whp dyno sheet
Of course I did 557 whp with my old stock block with the reflash - BUT - that was with nos so it dont count really
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Az3ar,
I'd like to jump in here if I may. I don't know what is going on exactly with the cars on the dyno but to be honest the spool up sucks. Pulling the car from a low rpm in 4th gear it doesn't spool on the dyno. Maybe it is the load, not sure. On the street with this BR500 and the BR580 kit if you put the car into 1-4th gear and hit the throttle at say....2500 rpm by 3,000 rpm they make right at 10 psi and by 3800 the boost gauge is at 20 psi and climbing so fast at that point that 30 psi will be there at 4,000.
That is what he meant.
Also, Al made it clear in his first post the car was tuned on C16 and he used his mild pump gas tune in the car, just turned up the boost. In other words he feels that if he had gotten aggressive on the timing and AFR maps then he could have made more power. Instead he ran high boost with a "pump gas" map in the car and this is what it made.
Take it easy on the guy, he did a great job tuning the car, look at the graph.
We only made 505 whp with that turbo on a 2wd dyno, with the AEM EMS and using our ported cylinder head on 118 octane. Doing 444 with C16, stock head, stock bottom end, stock MAS, no stand alone and on an AWD dyno is pretty damn amazing to me.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
I'd like to jump in here if I may. I don't know what is going on exactly with the cars on the dyno but to be honest the spool up sucks. Pulling the car from a low rpm in 4th gear it doesn't spool on the dyno. Maybe it is the load, not sure. On the street with this BR500 and the BR580 kit if you put the car into 1-4th gear and hit the throttle at say....2500 rpm by 3,000 rpm they make right at 10 psi and by 3800 the boost gauge is at 20 psi and climbing so fast at that point that 30 psi will be there at 4,000.
That is what he meant.
Also, Al made it clear in his first post the car was tuned on C16 and he used his mild pump gas tune in the car, just turned up the boost. In other words he feels that if he had gotten aggressive on the timing and AFR maps then he could have made more power. Instead he ran high boost with a "pump gas" map in the car and this is what it made.
Take it easy on the guy, he did a great job tuning the car, look at the graph.
We only made 505 whp with that turbo on a 2wd dyno, with the AEM EMS and using our ported cylinder head on 118 octane. Doing 444 with C16, stock head, stock bottom end, stock MAS, no stand alone and on an AWD dyno is pretty damn amazing to me.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
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Originally Posted by gofaster87
Id like to concur with David on his spooling. I have a BR500 kit as well and before I even had a chance to tune the car and just using an AFC2 I was seeing 24lbs of boost by 4000 RPM. This is what the MBC was set for. I did see at least 20lbs of boost by 3800 as well and it just shoots up so quick. I am running a full stage 4 with a couple of extra goodies as well. Id also like to add that I run only 101 octane TRICK RACING unleaded gas.
At low boost settings the stock turbo is hard to beat - however it runs out of steam after 20 psi where a big trurbo can really start the party working provided that you support it with a little better octane
With the prie of super unleaded rising up significantly over $2.20 a gallon - paying $5.00 - $6.00 a gallon for race fuel becomes a small price to pay for a SAFE extra 50 - 75 whp
Personally - I only run race fuel and the times I am stuck on pump gas I just stay off boost and take it easy - its too much of a hassel to be carrying about a lap top and tuning and untuning the car and changing the boost
I say run race gas and 26 psi and you will be very happy on the BR500!
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Originally Posted by nastea
i wish i could have had my 440 kitted car there, but unfortunately white vans were running around and jumped in front my car 
anyway good numbers
anyway good numbers
They are always getting in my way !
BTW - I pedict that the BR440 is going to be THE turbo to get for reflash users on the stock engine
Without a built motor the xtra power of the 500 or the 580 becomes meaningless
It seems to me the 440 will be just right
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nice numbers once again al. its to bad jelous wannabe's cant stay posting in there own forum.anyway your reflash is really getting control of the big hp numbers congrats.pm me if you need a hand with that fuel issue.are you going to the maryland event?
Az3ar,
$5,000 is apparently out of line to spend in your book for 444 whp. I don't know what you spent or what you would have made on a different tune. For the $5,000 that you estimated was spent this is what was on that car:
BR (Buschur Racing) full 3" mandrel bent SS exhaust.
BR Upper i/c pipe, polished stainless steel and BOV
BR Mini battery kit
BR Front mount intercooler kit, includes the lower stainless steel i/c plumbing
BR Fuel pump
BR Fuel injectors
BR manual boost controller
BR500 turbo kit, includes manifold, stainless steel 02 housing, engine fan, oil lines, etc.
BR MAS pipe, polished stainless steel
BR air filter kit
BR boost gauge
BR gauge mount
BR camshaft kit (HKS)
This list of parts is pretty damn complete. The engine bay after all this looks unbelievably clean. Each of these parts were designed to build upon the next part. In the future if this customer chooses to do so he can easily leave everything he has bought on the car and make another 300 whp on top of what he has without having to change and upgrade what he has already bought. Well designed, well engineered. The car has picked up 188 whp from what they dyno stock (around 256).
BTW, the $5,000 estimate you gave was low. These parts without any further discounts would come up to $6300.
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
$5,000 is apparently out of line to spend in your book for 444 whp. I don't know what you spent or what you would have made on a different tune. For the $5,000 that you estimated was spent this is what was on that car:
BR (Buschur Racing) full 3" mandrel bent SS exhaust.
BR Upper i/c pipe, polished stainless steel and BOV
BR Mini battery kit
BR Front mount intercooler kit, includes the lower stainless steel i/c plumbing
BR Fuel pump
BR Fuel injectors
BR manual boost controller
BR500 turbo kit, includes manifold, stainless steel 02 housing, engine fan, oil lines, etc.
BR MAS pipe, polished stainless steel
BR air filter kit
BR boost gauge
BR gauge mount
BR camshaft kit (HKS)
This list of parts is pretty damn complete. The engine bay after all this looks unbelievably clean. Each of these parts were designed to build upon the next part. In the future if this customer chooses to do so he can easily leave everything he has bought on the car and make another 300 whp on top of what he has without having to change and upgrade what he has already bought. Well designed, well engineered. The car has picked up 188 whp from what they dyno stock (around 256).
BTW, the $5,000 estimate you gave was low. These parts without any further discounts would come up to $6300.
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Az3ar,
$5,000 is apparently out of line to spend in your book for 444 whp. I don't know what you spent or what you would have made on a different tune. For the $5,000 that you estimated was spent this is what was on that car:
BR (Buschur Racing) full 3" mandrel bent SS exhaust.
BR Upper i/c pipe, polished stainless steel and BOV
BR Mini battery kit
BR Front mount intercooler kit, includes the lower stainless steel i/c plumbing
BR Fuel pump
BR Fuel injectors
BR manual boost controller
BR500 turbo kit, includes manifold, stainless steel 02 housing, engine fan, oil lines, etc.
BR MAS pipe, polished stainless steel
BR air filter kit
BR boost gauge
BR gauge mount
BR camshaft kit (HKS)
This list of parts is pretty damn complete. The engine bay after all this looks unbelievably clean. Each of these parts were designed to build upon the next part. In the future if this customer chooses to do so he can easily leave everything he has bought on the car and make another 300 whp on top of what he has without having to change and upgrade what he has already bought. Well designed, well engineered. The car has picked up 188 whp from what they dyno stock (around 256).
BTW, the $5,000 estimate you gave was low. These parts without any further discounts would come up to $6300.
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
$5,000 is apparently out of line to spend in your book for 444 whp. I don't know what you spent or what you would have made on a different tune. For the $5,000 that you estimated was spent this is what was on that car:
BR (Buschur Racing) full 3" mandrel bent SS exhaust.
BR Upper i/c pipe, polished stainless steel and BOV
BR Mini battery kit
BR Front mount intercooler kit, includes the lower stainless steel i/c plumbing
BR Fuel pump
BR Fuel injectors
BR manual boost controller
BR500 turbo kit, includes manifold, stainless steel 02 housing, engine fan, oil lines, etc.
BR MAS pipe, polished stainless steel
BR air filter kit
BR boost gauge
BR gauge mount
BR camshaft kit (HKS)
This list of parts is pretty damn complete. The engine bay after all this looks unbelievably clean. Each of these parts were designed to build upon the next part. In the future if this customer chooses to do so he can easily leave everything he has bought on the car and make another 300 whp on top of what he has without having to change and upgrade what he has already bought. Well designed, well engineered. The car has picked up 188 whp from what they dyno stock (around 256).
BTW, the $5,000 estimate you gave was low. These parts without any further discounts would come up to $6300.
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
BTW, the $5,000 estimate you gave was low. These parts without any further discounts would come up to $6300.
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
I would take that back BR because my kit is making more power and all over the band with no mods so dont even start.
Mhyar
With 444 whp this car is capable of running in the high 10's at 124+ mph trap speeds on a perfect pass with a great driver. The Stg 4 with the BR500 has also proven itself over the last months to be a combination that is nearly impossible to beat on the road courses.
David Buschur
I would take that back BR because my kit is making more power and all over the band with no mods so dont even start.
Mhyar
Originally Posted by Az3ar
I am not going to even argue with u but his 444 whp was on C-16 which I was 390 whp with 97 gas not even close to C-16 (do you read) it seems that you don’t. I have a stock car and I spent less than $4000 tuned out of the door no issues no problems. He is having 444whp in some point in his graph, it's not even all over the dyno. at 3500 rpm he has no power what so ever and that tells me there is a huge lag there. I wont even waste my time anymore on something is not worth it
Originally Posted by Az3ar
I am not going to even argue with u but his 444 whp was on C-16 which I was 390 whp with 97 gas not even close to C-16 (do you read) it seems that you don’t. I have a stock car and I spent less than $4000 tuned out of the door no issues no problems. He is having 444whp in some point in his graph, it's not even all over the dyno. at 3500 rpm he has no power what so ever and that tells me there is a huge lag there. I wont even waste my time anymore on something is not worth it
To be honest who care if it was c-16, 104 or 93. Who in the hell would drag race on pump gas anyway. The car is fast. A 10 second car for around 6 grand is unbeilvable. There is no new car on the market now that can do that for the money! Congrats to Al and Buschur for building a monster of a car for a great price
By the way I don't have dynoflash or buschur parts but I respect the work they do and I am happy to see a fast evo
Last edited by snoop; Jul 21, 2004 at 10:52 AM.
Originally Posted by Az3ar
I would take that back BR because my kit is making more power and all over the band with no mods so dont even start.
Mhyar
Mhyar
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