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Old Jun 7, 2008, 10:15 PM
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Please post your E85 stock turbo IDC%

I'm trying to figure out what size injectors I need for an E85 tune. Looks like even with the knowledgeable shops injector selection is all over the map (pun intended).

RRE = 750cc
AMS = 880cc
English = 850-1,000cc
Vivid = 1,200cc

Please post your E85 injector size, max IDC%, and your PSI spike and PSI at red line.

By stock turbo, I mean VIII with VIII turbo, or IX with IX turbo , or VIII with IX turbo.


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I got tooned by RRE on my IX with stock turbo.
RC Engineering 1000cc injectors, 72% IDC @ 30psi on E85
55% IDC @ 22psi on Costco's finest 91 octane :P

With my old Denso 660cc injectors, i hit 125% IDC @ 28psi on E85.
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IDC= injector duty cycle? I thought 100% is max. 660's definitely wont cut it for e85?
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I'm curious as to what the 880's hit as well since I am planning on running them
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Using skiracer as our only example so far, he's at 720cc, so with 880cc injectors his IDC would be 82%. That is right on the money in my book and confirms what I had already surmised. I'm thinking 880cc injectors are the way to go with the stock turbo and full bolt-ons.

Maybe AMS has done their research.

Hopefully we will get some more contributors to this thread.


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Mine is running 87% IDC, 23psi, 11.5 AFR at 7k rpm on 1000cc, E70 with full bolt-ons.

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Originally Posted by Jim in Tucson
Using skiracer as our only example so far, he's at 720cc, so with 880cc injectors his IDC would be 82%. That is right on the money in my book and confirms what I had already surmised. I'm thinking 880cc injectors are the way to go with the stock turbo and full bolt-ons.

Maybe AMS has done their research.

Hopefully we will get some more contributors to this thread.

I am actually using RC Engineering 1000cc injectors... I know RRE's tuner has been running E85 on a daily basis for 8 months in his personal car, but i doubt he'll spill any of his results :P
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Originally Posted by skiracer
I got tooned by RRE on my IX with stock turbo.
RC Engineering 1000cc injectors, 72% IDC @ 30psi on E85
55% IDC @ 22psi on Costco's finest 91 octane :P

With my old Denso 660cc injectors, i hit 125% IDC @ 28psi on E85.
Personally I think posting your max IDC at whatever RPM it happens at is better data as I know for a fact it's not 30psi of boost at your max IDC, which is probably around 7,xxx rpm.

Different evos with different mods and different boost control can hold more or less boost.

Example: Both evos hit 30psi peak. Both have 1000cc RC injectors. Evo A holds 20psi at 7000rpm, Evo B holds 22psi at 7000rpm. Which one would have higher peak IDC.
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Personally I think posting your max IDC at whatever RPM it happens at is better data as I know for a fact it's not 30psi of boost at your max IDC, which is probably around 7,xxx rpm.

Different evos with different mods and different boost control can hold more or less boost.

Example: Both evos hit 30psi peak. Both have 1000cc RC injectors. Evo A holds 20psi at 7000rpm, Evo B holds 22psi at 7000rpm. Which one would have higher peak IDC.
Dully noted, Bryan. The problem with stating RPM only, it does not really tell us if it is an EVO spiking to 30psi and tapering off to 20psi, or spiking to 22psi and tapering off to 16psi.

You are correct, it can certainly make a big difference in injector flow. I improved the wording in the top post - I think.

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Bigger = better as long as your driveability isn't effected too badly, so if 1200s allow decent driveability get them. Always better to have head room than not to. Oh and if you are anything 100% or higher it is the same, because your injectors are static or always open, so now your fueling depends on the flow of your fuel pumps.
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Originally Posted by Jim in Tucson
Dully noted, Bryan. The problem with stating RPM only, it does not really tell us if it is an EVO spiking to 30psi and tapering off to 20psi, or spiking to 22psi and tapering off to 16psi.
Well that is my point. Peak boost doesn't mean much when you are saying peak IDC as peak boost happens in lower RPM and peak IDC usually happens way up top.

If people have both data points, that is even better.

example: at 7000rpm, IDC is 84% and Boost is 21.4psi.

You can take the same Evo and have peak boost of 30, or 28, or 22 and if it's still 21.4 psi at 7000rpm, the peak IDC will be the same.
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I should have some IDCs in a few days.
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I think Lucas English needs to chime in..he seems to be the WIZARD
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TTT

Need some more data. Anyone else running E85?

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Originally Posted by fre
Bigger = better as long as your driveability isn't effected too badly, so if 1200s allow decent driveability get them. Always better to have head room than not to. Oh and if you are anything 100% or higher it is the same, because your injectors are static or always open, so now your fueling depends on the flow of your fuel pumps.
I agree a little bit of wiggle room would be nice especially of a FP green is in the future. I know Lucas English likes doing 1000cc, he put in 980's in when my car was done, close enough.


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