AFR consistency per gear?
Originally Posted by ScrappyJack
No changes from the last logs. Pulls started around 2000 - 2500 RPM. Left out data below 4000 RPM because of differing load-per-RPM-point.
2nd gear *only*
4033 233 11.75
4534 235 11.62
4961 237 11.79
5607 230 11.92
6043 232 11.88
6513 221 12.27
7068 217 11.55
3rd gear *only*
3987 243 11.40
4549 231 11.64
5036 238 11.64
5518 237 11.42
6031 236 11.69
6476 226 11.56
7009 227 11.19
It seems to me that the difference in AFR between gears is more dramatic during a multiple-gear pass vs two individual single-gear passes.
2nd gear *only*
4033 233 11.75
4534 235 11.62
4961 237 11.79
5607 230 11.92
6043 232 11.88
6513 221 12.27
7068 217 11.55
3rd gear *only*
3987 243 11.40
4549 231 11.64
5036 238 11.64
5518 237 11.42
6031 236 11.69
6476 226 11.56
7009 227 11.19
It seems to me that the difference in AFR between gears is more dramatic during a multiple-gear pass vs two individual single-gear passes.
Two gear pull under same conditions:
2nd gear
5555 232 11.86
5945 232 11.75
6573 225 11.96
6938 218 11.73
+
3rd gear
5559 234 10.84
6004 236 10.76
6547 227 11.00
6833 225 10.86
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
The evo does run richer with greater vehicle speed and the coolant temp enrichment is very excessive.
I am hoping that the creators of the ecu flash will add additional tuning paramaters in comming months which can help us make better tuning maps - I have been unable to find the enrichment maps myself to date although I am still hunting
I am hoping that the creators of the ecu flash will add additional tuning paramaters in comming months which can help us make better tuning maps - I have been unable to find the enrichment maps myself to date although I am still hunting
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
I think there are more factors contributing to load than throttle position, RPM, and boost level, look at the load cells adjacent to the cells you know to apply, its possible you need to adjust those too.
In general, the higher the load, the richer the ECU (The way its mapped) wants to run.. But there are a few additional tables representing load values (Open Loop Load #1 and Open Loop Load #2) that you might also want to look at besides the fuel map itself.
In general, the higher the load, the richer the ECU (The way its mapped) wants to run.. But there are a few additional tables representing load values (Open Loop Load #1 and Open Loop Load #2) that you might also want to look at besides the fuel map itself.
Tis why we specifically tune for 1-4 gear passes while tuning and also lean on 4th gear data for final AFR as the last gear in the 1/4 for most Evos. The first 3 will run leaner. Interesting question on the speed sensor Martin.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Tis why we specifically tune for 1-4 gear passes while tuning and also lean on 4th gear data for final AFR as the last gear in the 1/4 for most Evos. The first 3 will run leaner. Interesting question on the speed sensor Martin.
Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
Your offsets sound correct. I can tell you what "I" do on my own car. What you do is on you Faisal. 
I tune for target AFR in the last gear I experience in the 1320'.

I tune for target AFR in the last gear I experience in the 1320'.
Originally Posted by anjapower
what would you recommend as AFR range/values to tune for - in a daily driven Evo that runs pump gas w/o alky.
Originally Posted by anjapower
what would you recommend as AFR range/values to tune for - in a daily driven Evo that runs pump gas w/o alky.
Originally Posted by hondafan
+1. what would i want to shoot for doing 3rd gear pulls? i don't have anywhere convenient to road tune with 4th gear pulls.
Originally Posted by elhalisf
so should i shoot for 11.5 AFR in 4th gear or 3rd gear? because when i did tunned for 11.5 in 4th, i was hitting a max of 12.0 in 3rd gear.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
The evo does run richer with greater vehicle speed and the coolant temp enrichment is very excessive.
Originally Posted by ScrappyJack
No changes from the last logs. Pulls started around 2000 - 2500 RPM. Left out data below 4000 RPM because of differing load-per-RPM-point.
Data is in format RPM Boost (KPA) AFR
2nd gear *only*
5607 230 11.92
6043 232 11.88
3rd gear *only*
5518 237 11.42
6031 236 11.69
Two gear pull under same conditions:
2nd gear
5555 232 11.86
5945 232 11.75
+
3rd gear
5559 234 10.84
6004 236 10.76
Data is in format RPM Boost (KPA) AFR
2nd gear *only*
5607 230 11.92
6043 232 11.88
3rd gear *only*
5518 237 11.42
6031 236 11.69
Two gear pull under same conditions:
2nd gear
5555 232 11.86
5945 232 11.75
+
3rd gear
5559 234 10.84
6004 236 10.76
So I am clear, everyone else is tuned this way? Meaning, on a drag-style pass with your 3rd gear dialed in, you can be running as much as 1 AFR point leaner in 2nd and 1 AFR point richer in 4th?
Originally Posted by ScrappyJack
So I am clear, everyone else is tuned this way? Meaning, on a drag-style pass with your 3rd gear dialed in, you can be running as much as 1 AFR point leaner in 2nd and 1 AFR point richer in 4th?
My car was tuned in 3rd gear in the low 11:1 and tpaering 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. It gets richer in 4th gear, but I do not mind that since I intend to hotlap the car in the future. Here in SoCal our tracks ar in the high desert and it can get hot. Tuning rich in 4th gear helps reduce detonation.
Originally Posted by nj1266
It depends on the intended use of your car. Most of those who drag race tend to tune leaner than those who hotlap their Evos. Running 11.5-12.0:1 for a short blast down the 1/4 mile might not damage your car as bad as running the same AFRs for a 20 min hotlap session. This is assuming 93 oct gas.
My car was tuned in 3rd gear in the low 11:1 and tpaering 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. It gets richer in 4th gear, but I do not mind that since I intend to hotlap the car in the future. Here in SoCal our tracks ar in the high desert and it can get hot. Tuning rich in 4th gear helps reduce detonation.
My car was tuned in 3rd gear in the low 11:1 and tpaering 10.9-10.8:1 by redline. It gets richer in 4th gear, but I do not mind that since I intend to hotlap the car in the future. Here in SoCal our tracks ar in the high desert and it can get hot. Tuning rich in 4th gear helps reduce detonation.



