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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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check out the difference between the open loop load map #1/#2 on the 2003/2004 ecu's and the 2005 ecu's. left is 2003 right is 2005.

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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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The IX looks very close to the 2005 as well.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by elhalisf
open loop load map #1/#2[/img]
Pardon my ignorance, but what does this map do?
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by elhalisf
check out the difference between the open loop load map #1/#2 on the 2003/2004 ecu's and the 2005 ecu's. left is 2003 right is 2005.

I think there is an issue with the RPM scaling on the 05 (right side), it only goes to 6k RPM and the increments are 250 instead of 500 like on the 04...

I don't know squat about com programing but I've seen that problem before when ECUFlash didn't have all the definations for a specific ROM.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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Pardon my ignorance, but what does this map do?
we dont know yet
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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Posted this in another forum here but thought it belongs in this thread as well:

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Ok, here is a 3rd and 4th gear log from my car from awhile back. It's a long screenshot but there is alot of data. Keep in mind this is from a log that was WOT in 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th, just like you would normally do for full acceleration or 1/4 mile or ripping off one from a stoplight.

3rd gear - 6086rpm = 11.1 afr - timing = 11*
4th gear - 6018rpm = 11.0 afr - timing = 11*

3rd gear - 6520rpm = 11.1 afr - timing = 16*
4th gear - 6509rpm = 11.1 afr - timing = 15*

3rd gear - 7081rpm = 11.1 afr - timing = 20*
4th gear - 7002rpm = 11.2 afr - timing = 17*

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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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why is your temp jumping between 176 and 194. also, how where you able to read the Hz about 1603.95?
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Old Jul 31, 2006 | 08:14 PM
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why is your temp jumping between 176 and 194. also, how where you able to read the Hz about 1603.95?
Not sure. It only happens in 4th. I did have stretched headstuds at the time so maybe I was pressurizing the coolant at that point.

This is a ECU+ log, it doesn't have the 1603hz limitation of Evoscan.
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Old Aug 1, 2006 | 08:12 AM
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Thanks, Bryan. After heading back to the drag strip this past Friday, I think what I was experiencing was a side-effect of knock protection. I still need to collect some more quality data, but it appears that the car was picking up knock in the higher gear on a drag pass, pulling a bunch of timing, and the AFR is showing richer.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 08:06 AM
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bumping this back up...

I've been able to tune to a consistant AFR in 2nd - 4th gears at the track and on the street. I believe the reason for the difference is due to how the car 'loads' (or how boost builds) during a drag pass vs. during a 3rd gear pull on the street.

You are in different load cells which is why the A/F ratio is different.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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So is the concensus that the AFR should be the same in all gears Ideally? Or is a tune for 3rd ok?
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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I don't know for sure which method is correct but I would 'assume' that for max performace you would want a different A/F in every gear since the load on the engine is different for every gear a universal A/F wouldn't yeild max power.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
bumping this back up...

I've been able to tune to a consistant AFR in 2nd - 4th gears at the track and on the street. I believe the reason for the difference is due to how the car 'loads' (or how boost builds) during a drag pass vs. during a 3rd gear pull on the street.

You are in different load cells which is why the A/F ratio is different.
Yup, this is exactly why I said a log banging through the gears will be different then just logging single gear pulls.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:29 AM
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Here are my test results. I have done about 5 full 3rd gear wot pulls and shifting to 4th gear and going WOT until approx 6300 rpm. In each and every one of them the AFR in the 4th gear was richer than the AFR in the 3rd gear. The 5500 rpm point in 4th gear is the spool up point after the shift. That is why it dips well below 11:1. Here are the relevant rpm sections:

3rd gear



4th gear

Attached Thumbnails AFR consistency per gear?-afr_3rd_gear_5.jpg   AFR consistency per gear?-afr_4th_gear_5.jpg  
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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I am going back to accelleration enrichment tables based on TPS input. I believe TPS input enrichening to be the culprit.
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