I agree, by raising the pricing you now open the door bigger to 2+ people with similar mods going into together for a base flash.....If the cost is low you will have some still swap roms but for the most part $50 bucks is nothing and people will get there own. But what do i know..........

Again Al, if you stop eflashes what stops people from sharing your custom tunes and mail-ins they are all obtainable with the cable just as easy? so yeah stopping eflashes will work great...... BRILLIANT!

haha you yearn for the drama, if you didnt you wouldnt constantly post "I've been tuning evos for 3 years".....I swear I read that 50 times a day, you should just put that in your sig so you dont wear it out.....



btw I just farted and licensed it, nobody smell it...I added my intellectual property to it

 

subscribed...

 

that's great that you do that, but those logs are only valid for your evo.

Mine will be garrenteed to produce different logs. If you want to demonstrate otherwise, I have acceess to at least 3 different dyno's through several different shops.

I'll buy the dyno time, you just need to show.

 

subscribed. i'm interested in what comes of this. when ECUFlash came out i was very excited. i had driven my evo untuned and modded for around 25K miles because it's my only car and it woul've been difficult to deal with the downtime for a flash and no local tuners with a dyno. and this finally gave me an out! now i'm tuned and loving it and want to thank Al, TTP, and jestr for thier services because without it, me and probrably many others that aren't comfortable tuning themselves would be riding around untuned still. this is a bargain and a great service and i hope the whole community isn't punished for a few bad apples.

 

Look all I did was ask a question!!! Nothing more..
And I did say that! I know a tuner isn't going to like question like my post but I just wanted to know..
And I didn't do anything wrong I didn't give anyone your/my flash,,
Belive what you want,,,, It's ok everyone has there opinion and freedom of speach,, case closed....

 

Unless I miss something here what you just said makes no sense. He is talking he reviews the cars logs the flash was for, not his. That is why they do it, each car can act different.

 

I get $100 for mine, but its not an "eflash"...and they thank me as they pay

 

umm, I never called you an idiot nor did I mean to imply it so not sure why you said that?

uh ... don't you have to have the customer's map to copy the immobilizer code?

And you are modifying something that is proprietary data owned by Mitsu (not a blank map from scratch), so I'm having a hard time believing that any IP claim of yours could hold up since you are starting off with illegally obtained data in the first place ... of which you are well aware as stated below.


That doesn't necessarily mean that such a license or EULA is enforceable in court ... that's what I was throwing out there for discussion since you did threaten lawsuit against the OP ... which is the only reason I brought it up.

In no way am I saying that I don't think you should be paid for your service, or that people should share the maps that they have purchased from you. I clearly stated to the contrary in my post.

It's just that once you go trying to throw around (what I perceive to be) legal garbage and threaten lawsuits, I feel like those claims should be explored a bit ...

I didn't say that either.


So you're admitting knowledge of that fact that the maps you are using as the basis for your IP are obtained illegally?

What % of data in the maps do you think has changed once you're done? At what % delta do you think it's now OK to call this your product versus Mitsubishis?

By this same logic, I can take the map that I've purchased from you, make a few changes, then sell it and license it as my product, right?

I would submit that when you pay a tuner for a map, you are paying for a service not a product. The service is to modify Mitsubishi's map in your car for improved performance based on the tuner's knowledge and expertise in tuning Mitsubishis. This service clearly has a value and the tuner should be paid appropriately for it.

I personally think you would have a be a pretty cheap and stupid bastard to try to obtain that service for free and without any support from the expert tuner with the risks that it entails. Furthermore, you are then locked out of further modifications to the map that the tuner could make specific to your car after analyzing your logs ... and this is where the real value is for people that get it ...

My point being that I don't think you should worry so much about these types of people ... there will always be a few in the crowd. Obviously people value the service you provide as a tuner or you wouldn't have so much business. So I personally don't think it makes sense to go around pounding your chest threatening lawsuit when those claims are clearly on very shaky ground ...

 

First of all, its "guaranteed", not garranteed...

It seems your post become more and more knowledgeable as we progress. You could probably bump your flashes to $22.99 now.

Yeah, I take the customers flash and put it on my own 540whp Evo to test it? What is going through your noggin dude?

Of course I receive the datalogs of THE CUSTOMER CAR WITH THE FLASH ON IT UNDER VARIOUS DRIVING CIRCUMSTANCES AND REVIEW THAT INFO. CUSTOMIZED AND SPECIFIC TO EACH INDIVIDUAL EVO TO VERIFY IT IS FUNCTIONING AS SPECIFICALLY PROGRAMMED FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL CAR.

 

I just want to reinforce the fact that I have PAID $ to conduct dyno R & D over three years ago to set up the first maps

I spent at least $30,000 in flashing equipemnt of various kinds

I spent at least $100,000 to build a racing evo to test and develop tuning stretegies

I paid thousands to travel all over the USA to develop good maps for different areas and fuels

I just like to point these facts out as sometimes people thing the map that we sell the customer is just something I dreamed up in my sleep.

No it represents a lot of work and time.

Thanks

 

I agree

 

fair enough, I misunderstood the part about recieving the datalogs from the customer. Neat concept, but still not as effective as a "real" tuning sesson. From the outside, it also sounds like it could potentially take up alot of your time as business expands.

I also think you attitude to potential customer sucks... You should work on that.

 

It is the exact same process as an IN PERSON session, genious.

I currently have 29 open RemotEflash files and many more completed. We manage our time just fine, thank you.

No, our attitude to trolling haters sucks which could be expected when some bozo makes attempts to knock a product, they themselves cannot even understand.

With 194 positive feedbacks in under 17mos, I think we are doing just fine to serve our customers and our Evo community. Thanks for your business perspective.

 

Since you are into the business of correcting spelling (guaranteed corrected above), then I should point out that it is "genius" and not "genious."

I have learned a long time ago not to correct other peoples' seplling on the net lest it comes back and bite me in the ****.

 

Touche'. BTW, its spelling, not "seplling".