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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:15 AM
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what AFR's should I aim for

Hi Guys,

This weekend I will be installing my LC-1 and after that I will be tweaking my Hi Octane Fuel Map - what AFR's should I be aiming for?

I read that some people like 12.5 on spool, but others like low 11's

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:20 AM
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all depeds wut u use the car for...
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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:23 AM
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what do you mean?
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Old May 9, 2007 | 03:08 AM
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Generally folks recommend an AFR ~11.5 and a bit leaner (high 11's / low 12's) under 3000 rpm...That said, it really depends on several factors including gas, timing, and boost...
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Old May 9, 2007 | 03:52 AM
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I like 12's before boost and low 11's the rest of the pull.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 08:07 AM
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I aim for 12:1 at spool to peak torque then have it fatten up to 11:1 till about 6k where I richen it up just a little more till the next shift.

Whatever gear I tune in I normally end up with mid to high 11's till 5k because of lean spool. Even with the lean condition I still rarely ever get knock so I'm keeping it the way it is.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 08:31 AM
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I do things a bit different than posted here. I like to have my AFR as rich as it's gonna get by peak torque and hold that AFR to redline. I don't like leaning it out at peak torque, which is the area that is most likely to knock.

For example, if I am aiming for 11.2:1, then I will get it 11.2:1 right before peak torque and hold it from there. Then, I use the timing to make adjustments. To each his own, though.


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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Use what ever AFR that you think is best, whatever you do make sure you have a real-time knock_sum display visible after changes
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Old May 9, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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hrmm ok - so how does AFR affect torque?

11.5 seems pretty rich...

interesting stuff thou - thanks
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Old May 9, 2007 | 04:20 PM
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11.0 to 11.5 is ideal for pump gas, let your boost and timing make the power.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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ya I agree more adjustment in the timing is better. Gots to do both though to peak out your torque. Pretty lean on spoil up, I richen the hell out of it on top RPM and load though.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tephra
hrmm ok - so how does AFR affect torque?

11.5 seems pretty rich...

interesting stuff thou - thanks
11.5:1 would be rich for an NA car, but for a turbo car, the extra gasoline helps control combustion chamber temperatures and provides a bit of detonation resistance. You wouldn't want to go leaner than 12:1 at high load/boost, and even that is pretty lean.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mrfred
the extra gasoline helps control combustion chamber temperatures
that have resulted from timing advance.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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but isn't it wrong to richen when you have advanced the timing too far? wouldn't it be better to retard the timing a bit??
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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i tune for high 11's for spool up but by redline i like to aim for low 11's since that will allow me to run more timing, which creates the power...and the richer you are, the more you can advance the timing....
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