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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 04:25 AM
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I swear to god I posted in this thread......wierd
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:50 AM
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There is a reason that the maps are high and low octane specific. Your original "tooner" should know that.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:05 AM
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I wanted to take a few moments to clarfy a few points

# 1 Obviously the tune that the OP recieved from e which he used for well over a year of daily use was safe - as evidenced by the fact that his car is still running

#2 On a properly tuned car - there is no reason to set the high and low octane maps differently as the car pulls timing just as quickly with the maps set the same in the event of knock events.

#3 - My previous practice up until about a year or so ago was to set all maps the same for ease of identification when using a raw hex editor and also becuase I had identified some strange behavior that occured on some highly modified cars when the maps were set differently.

#4 - Even though it generally has no use - there is no harm in 99.999% of cases to set the low octane maps very conservatively - this even though most cars will never get into those maps unless you fill them with water and also becuase the knock system is still active no matter how you set the maps.

#5 As of one year ago I have been setting the maps differently in response to issues and concerns like this one

#6 - anyone who has an old tuning rom from Dyno Flash may have a free modification to my newest tuning style at no charge in which the low octane maps are set lower if you are more comfortable with that set up.

Finally, I have tuned a LOT of evos - I have been doing it from way back when the evo frisrt came out - the cars I tune are very RELIABLE and there have been no reports of any problems what so ever. I have more experience on the dyno and road tuning Evo reflashes than anyone else in the USA.

The results speak volumes as to the merrit of my methods and concepts.

Thanks for your concerns.

Al
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:09 AM
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I wanted to take a few moments to clarfy a few points

# 1 Obviously the tune that the OP recieved from e which he used for well over a year of daily use was safe - as evidenced by the fact that his car is still running

#2 On a properly tuned car - there is no reason to set the high and low octane maps differently as the car pulls timing just as quickly with the maps set the same in the event of knock events.

#3 - My previous practice up until about a year or so ago was to set all maps the same for ease of identification when using a raw hex editor and also becuase I had identified some strange behavior that occured on some highly modified cars when the maps were set differently. This was for several reasons - most of which were related to the crude raw hex editing applications then being used to reflash these roms. Also - my original trainer from Tech Tom in Japan who gave me my original training on how to reflash tune these vehicles suggested to set the high and low octane maps identical when running a high performance rom mapping.

#4 - Even though it generally has no use - there is no harm in 99.999% of cases to set the low octane maps very conservatively - this even though most cars will never get into those maps unless you fill them with water and also becuase the knock system is still active no matter how you set the maps.

#5 As of one year ago I have been setting the maps differently in response to issues and concerns like this one. I then relialized that customer prefer the peace of mind of seeing these maps set up as some type of safeguard which is why I began to set the low octane maps much lower. Also the advent of ecu flash made this process much more simple to facilitate.

#6 - anyone who has an old tuning rom from Dyno Flash may have a free modification to my newest tuning style at no charge in which the low octane maps are set lower if you are more comfortable with that set up. As evidenced by the hundreds and hundreds of cars I tuned back in late 2003 and 2004 that are still going strong with no issues - it is really not a significant point - however for those who feel more confortable - I am happy to modify the low octane maping at no charge.

Finally, I have tuned a LOT of evos - I have been doing it from way back when the evo frisrt came out - the cars I tune are very RELIABLE and there have been no reports of any problems what so ever. I have more experience on the dyno and road tuning Evo reflashes than anyone else in the USA.

The results speak volumes as to the merrit of my methods and concepts.

Thanks for your concerns.

Al

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
the cars I tune are very RELIABLE and there have been no reports of any problems what so ever. I have more experience on the dyno and road tuning Evo reflashes than anyone else in the USA.


Al
Those are mighty bold claims. Stop lying. I personally know of more than a couple Dynoflashed owners who have had problems with your tunes. And to claim you have more experience tuning the Evo than anyone else in the USA is just plain ignorant.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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Except that one you blew up when u were down in west palm about a year ago..

rememeber a Silver Evo IX.....

What happened there.....

You guys can read more about it on www.southfloridaracing.com

search for dynoflash and you'll get a couple threads about how it happened.


My mailin flash that i got from you almsot 2 years ago when i first got the car had knock counts consistently 8-15... i ran that map for 5 months....

If somethign would have happened to my car..........

Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I wanted to take a few moments to clarfy a few points

# 1 Obviously the tune that the OP recieved from e which he used for well over a year of daily use was safe - as evidenced by the fact that his car is still running

#2 On a properly tuned car - there is no reason to set the high and low octane maps differently as the car pulls timing just as quickly with the maps set the same in the event of knock events.

#3 - My previous practice up until about a year or so ago was to set all maps the same for ease of identification when using a raw hex editor and also becuase I had identified some strange behavior that occured on some highly modified cars when the maps were set differently. This was for several reasons - most of which were related to the crude raw hex editing applications then being used to reflash these roms. Also - my original trainer from Tech Tom in Japan who gave me my original training on how to reflash tune these vehicles suggested to set the high and low octane maps identical when running a high performance rom mapping.

#4 - Even though it generally has no use - there is no harm in 99.999% of cases to set the low octane maps very conservatively - this even though most cars will never get into those maps unless you fill them with water and also becuase the knock system is still active no matter how you set the maps.

#5 As of one year ago I have been setting the maps differently in response to issues and concerns like this one. I then relialized that customer prefer the peace of mind of seeing these maps set up as some type of safeguard which is why I began to set the low octane maps much lower. Also the advent of ecu flash made this process much more simple to facilitate.

#6 - anyone who has an old tuning rom from Dyno Flash may have a free modification to my newest tuning style at no charge in which the low octane maps are set lower if you are more comfortable with that set up. As evidenced by the hundreds and hundreds of cars I tuned back in late 2003 and 2004 that are still going strong with no issues - it is really not a significant point - however for those who feel more confortable - I am happy to modify the low octane maping at no charge.

Finally, I have tuned a LOT of evos - I have been doing it from way back when the evo frisrt came out - the cars I tune are very RELIABLE and there have been no reports of any problems what so ever. I have more experience on the dyno and road tuning Evo reflashes than anyone else in the USA.

The results speak volumes as to the merrit of my methods and concepts.

Thanks for your concerns.

Al
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
#2 On a properly tuned car - there is no reason to set the high and low octane maps differently as the car pulls timing just as quickly with the maps set the same in the event of knock events.
There is a very good reason to set the maps differently. While the knock control logic will still act the same and pulling timing as you speak of, the different maps are there to act more as a long term knock trim.

The whole point is to keep the car from knocking time after time from a crappy tune or from a bad tank of gas, or any number of other reasons. If the maps are left the same, and there is a high occurence of knock (which has been see numerous times on your tunes), then the car will knock time and time again, beating the bearings to death. I wonder why there has been so many spun bearing threads the last few years here?? Setting the maps the same is the long-term failsafe for this.

If you can honestly say that there is no reason to have maps different, then you really shouldn't be charging money to tune Evos.


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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
# 1 Obviously the tune that the OP recieved from e which he used for well over a year of daily use was safe - as evidenced by the fact that his car is still running
The car is still running, therefore deemed a safe tune? Dear god that is laughable

Finally, I have tuned a LOT of evos - I have been doing it from way back when the evo frisrt came out - the cars I tune are very RELIABLE and there have been no reports of any problems what so ever.
All of the negative reviews and horror stories I read say otherwise....

I have more experience on the dyno and road tuning Evo reflashes than anyone else in the USA.
That doesn't mean all of your tunes are safe and sound. You'd earn a lot more respect if you could just admit you were wrong in the past. A little humility can go a long way. Instead, you are talking it up like you ONLY changed your tuning methods to please customers into feeling they were more safe, instead of just admitting you were wrong and their maps were trash

Block tuning? Tons of knock? Collapsed Maps? How could you really take pride in those maps as "experience"?

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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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OK ... now you guys are starting to scare me ... what have I done to my baby!!!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:21 AM
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nick, get with me and I'll fix that tune for the low low

no matching maps, no block numbers and < 3 counts of knock
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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People who tune cars professionally (just in this thread) who don't like high/low octane maps to be the same:

CBRD, Mellon, TTP Engineering


People who tune their own cars (just in this thread) who don't like high/low octane maps set the same:

nj1266, mrfed, JohnBradley, l2r99gst, ShamelessCookie.


People who agree with said practice (in this thread):

Dynoflash, C6C6CH3vo.


You can decide what you want to.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
nick, get with me and I'll fix that tune for the low low

no matching maps, no block numbers and < 3 counts of knock
Thanks Mellon ... I have a great tuner here locally in upstate NY that is taking care of me though!!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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I bought my IX with a mail in flash (same previously mentioned tuner) and had the same issue, along with tons of knock all the way thru the rpm range, 3-7000 consistantly...

Oh yeah, something else...

The knock sensors were disabled!!!

Then I got my problems solved
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nick_622
Thanks Mellon ... I have a great tuner here locally in upstate NY that is taking care of me though!!
that's all that matters nick, glad to hear it
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