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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:21 AM
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Thumbs up Wideband O2 Shootout!

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...tout/index.php

Not sure if its a tritech, but here you go.

8 different widebands tested on Accuracy, Latency, Display, Ease of Use and Software.

I find the results quite interesting.. when some vendors on this forum swear by some of these widebands that had less than stellar results.

Just glad to see I have been using one of the best WBO2's out there. Which scored highest on these tests .

Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:22 AM
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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/thread lol. I searched too! My bad XD.
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:25 AM
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Mods please lock me please. And fix the damn search.... it didn't find the exact link or part of the link when searching <3.
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lol =)
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 08:47 AM
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It is ok Ralph, I beat you to it

Oh and those vendors you talk about, do they happen to have the initials TTP
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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It seems there are more than one wideband accuracy review in circulation....

Hi there nj1266!
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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im confused now 2 differents test with 2 differents results lol
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Glad you posted that, was making me worry about my Zeitronix

The article you posted looks better IMO, as they spaced the sensors better. And having one meter to bench mark off of is better IMO than trying to use some gas

Not to mention, this one actually posts raw data, not just dots and circles
Old Jun 28, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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"use some gas"

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Glad you posted that, was making me worry about my Zeitronix

The article you posted looks better IMO, as they spaced the sensors better. And having one meter to bench mark off of is better IMO than trying to use some gas

Not to mention, this one actually posts raw data, not just dots and circles
""Sensors were tested using laboratory gas specifically formulated to yield 11.76 AFR and 13.15 AFR. This way each sensor sees the exact same "exhaust gas", letting us measure the accuracy and responsiveness of each meter.""


You did well in chemistry didn't you?
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I posted this test on another forum and got responses questioning the array of the sensors in the pipe. People stated that them being grouped so closely would throw off the results. I think some people don't understand that the sensors were only in the pipe for 1 hour and only to simulate being installed on a vehicle over time. The results of the test aren't based on the values taken while the sensors were mounted in the pipe. the sensors were tested in a controlled environment (outside of the pipe pictured) against a scientifically verified mixture.
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Originally Posted by Evo_Pma
im confused now 2 differents test with 2 differents results lol
What TTP does not tell you is:

1. This article dates back to July 2004. At that time there was no LC1. Today there is an LC1.

2. This article was modified by TTP to include the words "Horiba" next to the table.

3. This article did not follow a scientifc methodology of comparing the results of the wideband meters against a gas of know Lambda/AFR. They simply decided to use the "Horiba" as their standard. Why is the Horiba the standard? Is it becuase it is expensive?
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the bad thing its that in the other test they dont show the motec. thats a good one very expensive but very good so maybe if they run the motec in that method you can compare
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Originally Posted by UCB
Glad you posted that, was making me worry about my Zeitronix

The article you posted looks better IMO, as they spaced the sensors better. And having one meter to bench mark off of is better IMO than trying to use some gas

Not to mention, this one actually posts raw data, not just dots and circles
I am glad that you are relying on an article that appeared back in JULY 2004 in Import Tuner for accuracy. How many years have passed since July 2004?

If you read the new shootout you would note that they made TWO tests. The first test was done against caliberated gases for accuracy. And the second test was done on the dyno with all the sensors plugged in. That was NOT the only accuracy test.

In the article posted by TTP, there is no such distinction. They did NOT use caliberated gases to test for accuracy. They simply used what TTP says is a Horiba unit as the benchmark. But why is this the benchmark? Is it because it is expensive? Does expensive mean accurate?

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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cfdfireman1
""Sensors were tested using laboratory gas specifically formulated to yield 11.76 AFR and 13.15 AFR. This way each sensor sees the exact same "exhaust gas", letting us measure the accuracy and responsiveness of each meter.""


You did well in chemistry didn't you?
har har har...

I'm a mechanical engineer, work on electro-chemical systems, I know a thing or two about bench marking sensors and using calibration fluids/constants

The article and the "data" it presents sucks ***. It would have been better to use a single W/B as a standard (you could compare it to the calibration gas), then use that as a bench mark as to compare all of the other meters.

Not only that, but the first article doesnt provide a single real data point, just rough estimations and silly full and half-full circles. Where the sensors off by through out the entire test? Just during start up? What were the avg afrs recorded? They went through such lengths to get the calibration gases and such, yet couldnt find the room in the article to post a single real data point?



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