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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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I know its hard for you to comprehend, but after tuning the same ecu platform solely everyday for three years, one knows how the ECU works and how the cells travel. It has been explained prior in other posts of mine how to reverse trace load cells through ignition timing and rpm grids.

I never needed the training wheels of 2byte load in order to understand how to interpret the path the ECU cells travel. Fortunately for the rest, the tool has helped many understand this information long after I had been manually doing for quite some time. Not only can you locate load for timing, but it also tells you the fuel load cells also.

If you are asking for the answer, there it is. If you have other motives with your line of questioning, please share them.

I am on my 13th year of experience working with the 4g63, I have had my fair share of tuning narrowband on my own cars. In this day and age I see no benefits with as affordable as widebands are.

As I stated before and will state again to clarify, I would rather tune from experience and intuition than use narrowband afr's. I have never actually looked at them in and evoscan log to be honest and do not have the box checked on my evoscan logging parameter screen.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nightcrawler
Just wanted to warn you about the nutty professor.
He takes things personal and comes back with a personal view without regard for others, places or things. I had no idea he would be on the forum. Surprise.
The forum is well aware of his presence, he is being watched. Finals were this week so he has some extra time on his hands. I hope he uses it wisely.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The forum is well aware of his presence, he is being watched. Finals were this week so he has some extra time on his hands. I hope he uses it wisely.
Stop with you patronizing attitude. Your begining to sound like AL from Dynoflash.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
As I stated before and will state again to clarify, I would rather tune from experience and intuition than use narrowband afr's. I have never actually looked at them in and evoscan log to be honest and do not have the box checked on my evoscan logging parameter screen.
To each his own. I would rather tune by logging and reviewing all the relevant data, including a wideband, 2byteload, 2byteairflow, WGDC, WGDC Correction, Load error. The last three allow me to use ECU boost control. In SoCal, I have a leg up on all the tuners because none of them know how to do ECU boost control. They are still relying on their experience and intution by using the ancient Dejon Tool MBC.

Experience and intuition only goes so far.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:11 PM
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I own an Evo, Spyder, and a few others. My Datsun happens to be my pet car.
Problem with that?

There you go getting peronal. It was only a matter of time for your trigger to go off.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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experience is power but so is information. you cannot do one without the other, that is just plain ignorant.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mifesto
experience is power but so is information. you cannot do one without the other, that is just plain ignorant.
The information is there. Some know how to obtain it without extra patches and MUT protocol changes. I find it to be more accurate than the mathematical calculation done by evoscan when running the patch. I have always obtained the information this way and it is the most accurate and verifiable.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nightcrawler
I own an Evo, Spyder, and a few others. My Datsun happens to be my pet car.
Problem with that?

There you go getting peronal. It was only a matter of time for your trigger to go off.
No problem at all...Enjoy the forum...
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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You bet you darn bluey car I will....
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TTP Engineering
The information is there. Some know how to obtain it without extra patches and MUT protocol changes. I find it to be more accurate than the mathematical calculation done by evoscan when running the patch. I have always obtained the information this way and it is the most accurate and verifiable.
You keep on saying that your method is more accurate than the 2byteload, but you have yet to provide one iota of data to prove this. If you have the data, then please share it with us.
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Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nightcrawler
You bet you darn bluey car I will....
I do not own a blue car...
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Old Dec 20, 2007 | 12:14 AM
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You keep on saying that your method is more accurate than the 2byteload, but you have yet to provide one iota of data to prove this. If you have the data, then please share it with us.
I think he is talking about taking the timing the car is running (with no knock to pull timing) and mapping it back to the timing map, then after seeing what load column he is in, mapping it to the fuel map. Experience also comes into factor here, knowing what load the car usually is at certain boost, timing, gearing, etc.

Please correct me if I am wrong TTP.

This is how I tune on the fly as well. I do log 2byte load now because of the way I tune ecu-boost however, and also because I am now a data junkie.
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Old Dec 20, 2007 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I think he is talking about taking the timing the car is running (with no knock to pull timing) and mapping it back to the timing map, then after seeing what load column he is in, mapping it to the fuel map. Experience also comes into factor here, knowing what load the car usually is at certain boost, timing, gearing, etc.
IMO, this is a very primitive method. What if the car knocks and timing is pulled? Then what do you do? Moreover, the Evo 9 interpolates timing between 3 maps. How do you know which timing cell from which map it is hitting?

Nevertheless, he can use whatever method he wants. But is this method that he uses more accurate than the 2byteload? He keeps saying it is, but has no data to back it up.
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Old Dec 20, 2007 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
IMO, this is a very primitive method. What if the car knocks and timing is pulled? Then what do you do? Moreover, the Evo 9 interpolates timing between 3 maps. How do you know which timing cell from which map it is hitting?

Nevertheless, he can use whatever method he wants. But is this method that he uses more accurate than the 2byteload? He keeps saying it is, but has no data to back it up.

Well just my ***-umption. Could be something different he is doing.
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Old Dec 20, 2007 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
I think he is talking about taking the timing the car is running (with no knock to pull timing) and mapping it back to the timing map, then after seeing what load column he is in, mapping it to the fuel map. Experience also comes into factor here, knowing what load the car usually is at certain boost, timing, gearing, etc.

Please correct me if I am wrong TTP.

This is how I tune on the fly as well. I do log 2byte load now because of the way I tune ecu-boost however, and also because I am now a data junkie.
Yes Bryan, you are correct. Not only correct but smart enough to use the method yourself. The only primatives are the ones that have waited for the training wheels to come along and help guide them along in their quest to try and comprehend the inner workings of the ECU.

I also have my methods to track knocksum areas and know all of the interpolation rules.

This is not a training session for nj1266 to rip off all of my knowledge and start a business of his own. (That has happened quite enough this year, thanks- and as you will notice he is already stating "when I tune a customer car, etc etc") So this line of questioning has come to a halt. All the questions asked have been answered and then some at this point.
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