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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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Opinion on log and fuel.timing maps

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I'm still learning and wondered what people though of my timing/fuel maps and my last run log. I'm trying to get my AFR locked in. Mods are in signature, adding a Walbro this weekend. Lean spool is disabled.

The log,
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Timing Map,
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Fuel Map,
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Occational knock counts of 1 on spool up. Feels strong but need to dyno again to be sure. thanks for your input.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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12.3 AFR at 6600 rpm at WOT? Is this on C16 or VP import?
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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It is on 92 oct pump gas. The fuel map is pretty stock, only recently started making changes since I now have a wideband. Was told to get to mid 11's to create a safe buffer. I have been trying slowly. All the talk about Evo being rich from the factory....guess my mods have leaned things out a bit.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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also, i think egt's are ok. i'd have to check my defi's to see what the max it has recorded. what is too hot for EGT's?
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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so you have an Evo8, running 21psi without a fuel pump? thats probably why your AFR's are lean.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tephra
so you have an Evo8, running 21psi without a fuel pump? thats probably why your AFR's are lean.
And the psi is almost 21.5-22 at redline with the new O2 housing installed....small amount of boost creep. I might try to open the wastegate hole in the O2 transition a little to cure it. I'm hoping the Walbro will set some of the lean condition a bit lower. I know the VIII's fuel pumps are not a good as the IX so that is why it was ordered. Does it appear, I'm heading the right direction? I know each car is different but is it a good rule to shoot for mid 11's in AFR after spool up?
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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step 1 = buy fuel pump
step 2 = wind up boost and tune

You seem to have missed my point so ill be a bit more dramatic: When your engine blows because you couldn't wait for a $150 part don't blame us
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 12:30 AM
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What are your IDC's right before your AFR does that shoot up to 12AFR?

Willing to bet over 100%.

From squinting at that super small chunk of logworks it also looks like you are getting boost creep from seeing your load curve.

You need to stop going WOT with a 12.3 AFR on 92oct gas. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when your piston says hello to your radiator.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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On my evo8 with the TD05-9.8 I get 100% injector duty cycle around 6000-6500 rpm with AFR at 11.2 and boost at about 21 psi.

Don't go above 6000 rpm WOT until after you put that pump in.

I don't know why you get boost creep though. I don't. But could be because I use ecu-controlled boost.

Also that logworks picture is hard to read in my opinion. Is there a different way you could present your logged data?
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tephra
step 1 = buy fuel pump
step 2 = wind up boost and tune

You seem to have missed my point so ill be a bit more dramatic: When your engine blows because you couldn't wait for a $150 part don't blame us
I hear you loud and clear. I have the Walbro at my house and it is going in this weekend. Would have last weekend but things came up. I appreciate your input.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
What are your IDC's right before your AFR does that shoot up to 12AFR?

Willing to bet over 100%.

From squinting at that super small chunk of logworks it also looks like you are getting boost creep from seeing your load curve.

You need to stop going WOT with a 12.3 AFR on 92oct gas. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when your piston says hello to your radiator.
Hmm, I am a super noob, I'll go read more since I do not know what IDC's are or how to log them in Mitsulogger or LogWorks. The boost creep is due to the newly installed Megan O2 housing. I think I need to enlarge the wastegate hole a bit since it is so small.

Really the only tuning I have done on this car was the timing and almost all the changes reduced the advance.

Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by roger smith
On my evo8 with the TD05-9.8 I get 100% injector duty cycle around 6000-6500 rpm with AFR at 11.2 and boost at about 21 psi.

Don't go above 6000 rpm WOT until after you put that pump in.

I don't know why you get boost creep though. I don't. But could be because I use ecu-controlled boost.

Also that logworks picture is hard to read in my opinion. Is there a different way you could present your logged data?
Ah, IDC = Injector Duty cycle... yea. I'm a bit slow. Not seeing it in Mitsulogger...I'll search it out.

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IDC = IPW*RPM/1200

i think :P
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Don't think you can log IDC in mitsulogger. You'll have to make a column in your log and put that formula tephra did.

p.s. IPW = injector pulse width. And yeah that formula gave me a correct value, Tephra.
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Old Feb 21, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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Great. I checked a few of my logs with the formula and yes I am at 100ish for IDC's, more or less depending on the cell. I will keep my foot out of it until I install the Walbro on Saturday. I really appreciate the help from all that gave some. I will reply with my findings after I do some logging, post install of the Walbro.
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