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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by logic
You could call a Mitsubishi parts dealer or your local dealership...

Yeah, its available through any dealership or online at www.oemmitsubishiparts.com

I'm sure you can find the part # in the ECUFlash section if you search around. They go for a little over $140 last time I looked.

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Not sure if this Evo-M vendor is still offering them cheaper but here is the thread and part#:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/mi...r-special.html

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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Ha. I called the mitsu dealer, they want 209. Yea, ok. Ill get one from the dealer above.

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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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Might as well just go with the GM one for 60 bucks instead. It's not that hard to splice 3 wires.
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Old Aug 5, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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No you are right. I ended up buying a gm map sensor. I'll get the iat as well and find a bung for it too.

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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by VETTE_50_TH
No you are right. I ended up buying a gm map sensor. I'll get the iat as well and find a bung for it too.

James


Same setup i was running on the 1G. GM Map, GM AIT and GM 3-Port Boost Solenoid.

Michael
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Old Aug 8, 2009 | 08:27 AM
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sick I'm glad ya got a ecu and got her running..I know you'll figure it all out Just don't ask me for any tech on this cuz I no nothing haha
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 01:31 AM
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hello,

we run evo8 ecu in two 1g´s from some friends. we use evo8 ralliart software (EU-Spec) with ID 99270000. no troublecodes and no problems with it.
also no problem with troublecode for the Crank and Cam Sensor.

we build a adapter from the old 3-plug-connector to the new 4-plug from evo.

with 18g-turbo we hit 307hp @ 1,15bar boost.

you can see here:
http://www.tarmac-gravel-snow.de/ind...d20-turbo-1994

best regrads


ps: sorry for the bad english
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gttobi
hello,

we run evo8 ecu in two 1g´s from some friends. we use evo8 ralliart software (EU-Spec) with ID 99270000. no troublecodes and no problems with it.
also no problem with troublecode for the Crank and Cam Sensor.

we build a adapter from the old 3-plug-connector to the new 4-plug from evo.

with 18g-turbo we hit 307hp @ 1,15bar boost.

you can see here:
http://www.tarmac-gravel-snow.de/ind...d20-turbo-1994

best regrads


ps: sorry for the bad english

The 96530006 ROM throws no codes either and has a million times more support than the ralliart ROM does. If you sell the plug n' play ECU harnesss adapter you should post a link so others know where to get it.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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yes please let me know if you sell the harness adapter.
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by VETTE_50_TH
Hey guys, i had a quick question pertaining to both my 1g and 2g. I have a 95 gst with a 1g head that im building. It has the 91 cas and 2g crank sensor. So, my plan was to buy the magnus cable to convert the 91 cas and crank to the stock wiring harness. The problem though, is the RRE conversion says to swap pins on the ecu to make the spark correct.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/1...waptechtip.htm

My other problem is, what must i follow in order to make the cas correct? What wires must be swapped to make it work. I know the 97-99 had a cas, but its different than a 91. Which one should i go with, or does it make a difference. Lastly, i know the evo ecu has speed density support, what is the best way of getting that working? I spoke to "the mork" who said to use the mdp off the 2g and slice that for the aem or gm sensor, and then wire a temp sensor into an open port, but im not sure how to do that. Any good threads or posts on that?

Thanks

James

This is what I have running now on my 95 GST: 6-bolt swap with a 1G '91 Head with a '94 Blacktop CAS using a EVO 8 ECU. When using a 1G CAS for a 6-bolt swap in a 2Ga DSM (1995-1996 DSM) you have to swap the injector wires AS WELL as the spark plug wires. The spark plug wires (or the wires going to the power transistor) have to be swapped when reading a 1G setup with a 95/96 ECU. HOWEVER this is not the case for the EVO ecu, it is already expecting the CAS signal like the 2Gb and 1G cas output, so no wire swap will be required at the spark plug. When I first installed the EVO ECU into my 2G, it would not fire up because i had swapped wires for the 6-bolt swap. Swapping them back to the normal setup fixed my problems and the car started right up!

So, I am assuming the injector wires also will not need to be swapped if your running a 1G/2Gb cas and EVO ECU. The car will fire up with the injector wires swapped or not (mine did). I ended up swapping my injectors back to the factory position, but the car did run with the injectors 90* off (See the RRE webpage the 95/96 ECU and the 6-bolt swap).

If you are running the 2Ga CAS and EVO ECU, I assume you will have to swap both the spark and injector wires to make things happy.

Let me know if thats not clear!
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Old Aug 10, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I can read/write to the ECU no problem, same with datalogging. I already know about the knock sensor issue. The car has the A/C removed already. Here is what I have connected so far:



Here is a link to the 1G DSM pinouts:

http://www.dsmlink.com/images/forums/1GECUPinout.pdf

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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I will post up a SOLID layout in the next few days to help the next people who do this.
Hi. I literally just stumbled upon this. I was about to drop a bunch of money on a megasquirt setup for my 1991 Talon AWD, but I think I'd much rather go this route.

Is the above picture the final definitive wiring (keeping in mind 1990 vs 1991 DSMs) for an Evo 8 ECU in a 1g DSM? Or were you planning on updating it?

Also, I have this question.

Originally Posted by BlackBoosted
How are you flashing this ECU?

I noticed this is in the ECUFlash sectino, but as most of you, my car doesnt have a OBDII connector.
I saw these answers;

Originally Posted by the_mork
I think the question actually refers to how do you flash the evo8 ecu while it is in the 1g because a 1g doesn't have an obd2 port or flash port. The flash port is easy, you just add a pin and wire to the reflash pinout (87? I don't remember off the top of my head) and either add a flash port since it is only one wire or just stuff a wire right into your cable. As for the data that passes through the obd2 port I have no experience but I assume you just wire one in and it can't be that hard.
Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
You add and OBD1 ports reflashing wire to pin 79 on the Evo8 ECU. The k-line wire (pin 7) on the OBD2 port needs to connect to pin 69. You also need to connect pin 16 on the OBD2 port to +12v constant and ground pins 4 and 5. HERE is a diagram.
However I'm afraid I don't completely understand the answers. For one I'm lost on what the flash port is and what it does. I think by Mork's description though we're only talking about 1 wire. But it says to just stuff the wire right in my cable.. what is my cable?

Jack I'm afraid when I read your post I don't understand. I'm sure you do, can you help me out a little bit? I think you're trying to say that I need to go get an OBDII port and wire it in. Pin 7 to evo 69, Pin 16 to +Battery, and pints 4&5 to Ground. Do I not need to concern myself with the others?

Also, what you say about OBD1 ports reflashing wire to the evo8 ECU I'm not following. My DSM does have OBD1, but the diagram shows a DB-9 serial port. So I don't understand if I'm wiring this stuff to the factory OBD1 port, or am I wiring this to a DB-9 connector?

Do I need 2 separate ports? A flash port and an OBDII hookup? This diagram looks like I can use a DB-9 connector instead of an OBDII plug. Is that true? Do I just wire DB-9 straight to the Evo8 ECU ?

Please forgive me if I'm being a total jackass here and missing something obvious.

Thanks
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Old Aug 11, 2009 | 05:13 AM
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The flash 'port' is really just a wire going to pin 79 on the EVO ecu. When you get a flash cable, and yes you will need a cable to flash with, you will see that the cable is really just an OBDII connector and an extra wire. The extra wire needs to connect to pin 79.

So you can grab a spare pin from another ecu harness or you may find extras in yours after the swap. This pin will go into 79 on the evo ECU. On the other side of the pin will be a wire with some sort of connector, whatever you can source (female/male spade terminals for example) The extra wire from the flash cable will connect to this when you are ready to flash.

The OBDII cable plugs into an OBDII port you will need to add to your 1G. They can be had for almost nothing at junk yards. Most of the pins are indeed unused. Grab two just in case and wire up the OBDII as per the instructions found here.

If you need a cable www.dsmchips.com (Jeff O.) sells the M cable for flashing for $74 shipped. Note: with this cable i can only get ECUFlash 1.29 to flash. I use 1.42 to build my ROMS and then open 1.29 to flash them to my EVO ECU. No big deal.
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Old Aug 11, 2009 | 06:20 AM
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I will hopefully be posting up the final wiring diagrams and pictures of the configurations for the obdII and reflashing port tonight.
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Old Aug 11, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by acidikjuice
The flash 'port' is really just a wire going to pin 79 on the EVO ecu. When you get a flash cable, and yes you will need a cable to flash with, you will see that the cable is really just an OBDII connector and an extra wire. The extra wire needs to connect to pin 79.

So you can grab a spare pin from another ecu harness or you may find extras in yours after the swap. This pin will go into 79 on the evo ECU. On the other side of the pin will be a wire with some sort of connector, whatever you can source (female/male spade terminals for example) The extra wire from the flash cable will connect to this when you are ready to flash.

The OBDII cable plugs into an OBDII port you will need to add to your 1G. They can be had for almost nothing at junk yards. Most of the pins are indeed unused. Grab two just in case and wire up the OBDII as per the instructions found here.

If you need a cable www.dsmchips.com (Jeff O.) sells the M cable for flashing for $74 shipped. Note: with this cable i can only get ECUFlash 1.29 to flash. I use 1.42 to build my ROMS and then open 1.29 to flash them to my EVO ECU. No big deal.
Okay I think I understand now, thank you.

One other question comes to mind. I don't imagine the DSM harness just plugs in to the EVO8 ECU. Are you guys cutting out evo8 ecu harness pigtails and soldering to that?
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Old Aug 11, 2009 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I will hopefully be posting up the final wiring diagrams and pictures of the configurations for the obdII and reflashing port tonight.
Cool. I will greatly appreciate it. I think I found an ECU in Utah. Hopefully it's still available. An ECU out of just a regular lancer will work right?
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