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Dave, you've come a long my friend! The biggest thing for any tuner shop to do is first and foremost, thank the ECUFlash contributors who helped you achieve the accomplishment you are posting about. You most definitely do this and I know you contribute to Tephra which is wonderful, other shops should just make sure they do this as well. Acknowledgment goes a long way with these guys.

I would love to see a fully tuned 'basic bolt-on' Evo with the MAF and then converted to SD and retuned. Not some FP powered platform, just a stock turbo 'Run of the Mill' setup. That would be lovely to see what the average person can truly expect.

Keep up the great work and thanks for trying to give back.

 

David I'll think later if there is anything you can do for me. But i wasn't calling you out. I think you have learned a ton of stuff about the stock ecu very fast and you probably know loads more then I do still.

I think the results you have gotten so far are very impressive and furthermore show how well you picked everything up and have put it to use.

 

Well said...agree 100%.

I for one respect David Buschur and what he does. He is one of the few tuners, along with Scott at TTP that have given thanks and respect to the people putting in their free time to make the stock ECU better.

That thread by AWDMotorsports just sort of ticked me off because there was no mention of the work put into it at all. I was pretty sure that John Banks and/or mrfred and/or logic, etc ,etc, wouldn't even want any money. But that's not the point. The point is the recognition, the thanks, the appreciation, and the respect.

So, Dave, don't worry about a few negative comments here and there. Even I have had my disagreements with you in a thread or two. But, I fully repect you and how much you have given to the community and it seems like you respect the people in this subforum as well. I remember reading your dyno thread about stock ECU SD and you gave credit to the people in here. That was great and I thank you for doing that.

I think there are a great bunch of guys in this subforum. And when we/they get support from big names such as yourself, it's just the icing on the cake. I hope that the stock ECU and the people working on it just continues to get better and people aren't discouraged from other vendors or tuners that simply take and don't give back. I will always contribute whatever I can, however little that may be. But I will always do it , even it only helps out one person. I just like doing it. And I know you feel the same.

 

I agree 100% with l2r99gst.
At the end of a day the only thing that counts is how many people have you helped.

I believe it takes courage to throw away prejudice, to say publicly I made a mistake and learn from it. You have done it. And that is where you earned my respect.

I only can think of one thing that could help disassemblers and that is sampling startup signals from all sensors that one could simulate the behavior either on testbed or in simulator (assuming you have DSO, which many of us/enthusiasts do not have in possession). This could reveal unknown code sequences and make sense/use of them.

 

+1 to this. Years ago you said/thought the stock ECU couldnt do the things it does today. But after our great contributes (you know who are you) made the stock ECU the golden egg is today, you recanted your statement and admitted your mistake. Thats respectable.

 

+1

No one might be able to tell you exactly how you can help, but as long as you really want to help for the sake of helping, you'll find something to contribute.

 

agreed, the internet is full of "experts" that will claim they know more than you. There's one in every thread.

let it go, and ignore the idiot ( I mean expert )

 

Personally I believe every car should have its latency values done individually and they may not all be exactly the same.

Teaching others how to tune each fuel or giving away free dynotime to anyone who badmouths the shop I don' t think is the answer either.

I would agree that just using and testing the software and reporting back results to the best effort.

We do this day in and day out. Many do it on their own car on one rom only. With the volume of Evo's and roms done on a daily and weekly basis, it is a lot easier to see what works, if something is problematic and try new ideas.

Hell maybe someone will figure out the low rpm SD lean spot anomaly through their testing.

 

Sidebar real quick- you mean the one at 2k?

 

sidebar extender - maybe thats my problem as i cant get the car up the driveway do to it going extremely lean and braking up and loose of power. i literally can not make it up my driveway. i tried for 35 minutes friday night. im stuck.

 

Dave,

I am not putting you down as a tuner - in hand to hand combat you would win due to experience as I am only about 4 years into tuning my evo and everyday I learn something new through experimenting on my own car. I mean we all have to start somewhere?

I am in no ways a computer guru that understand code - or an expert tuner but I do try and give back by answering questions or helping when i can through "my experience" and testing new tables, etc to help everyone understand...I am one that likes to learn and read information from people at a higher level of tuning and make myself better from it .

My comment was geared towards this comment towards MAP in the heat of the moment....

You had the audacity to call someone out on there stock ecu tuning abilities/understanding of the ecu when not so long ago you dismissed it as more/less as a joke. When not so long ago you were sucking info in left and right how everything works. It just seemed childish to me and I decided to give my comment.

My comment about getting the info you need and out the back door is true.....you have not really contributed technical information on your findings with working with the stock ecu, I mean as good as you are surely there could be things in your 20 years experience could be made better, etc....the shops like gstmotorsports and english racing have numerous posts giving back technical info to help everyone, posting map examples, etc - not just brag how great they are now. They dont give all there secrets but really how much of tuning is secret - not really a magical formula to it.

This is all imo - im sure not many agree but thats the beauty of an opinion, and I just dont want to see vendors who now are becoming stock ecu experts forgetting who got them there and without the information shared and work done we would all be crying that the stock ecu sucks.

 

travman, while you are quoting me, you have to also quote the part that MAP told me they were dumbfounded over me protecting what I said, I just took what they wrote and turned it around on them as they obviously aren't grasping what I told them about the timing cels in the stock ECU and what I have seen. You could have backed me up on the statement I made to them since you've been tuning for 4 years and would have to know what I am referring to, instead you chose me and what I said to them.

I can't say that I have honestly come across anything to date that I felt like it was worth bringing up with the stock ECU. I've ran into some troubles, did some searching and found answers or many times got an answer from Jester (he's been my "secret" helper since I started this stock ECU stuff last spring...........secrets out).

A few problems I've had I reported to evo4mad via PM's.

To be honest, for the most part the ECU flash and scan software have worked pretty flawlessly for me and the few problems I've had were on my own end or something I didn't have in an XML. Posting things like that, that are more than likely my own fault, just clutter the forums.

I'll start keeping it in the back of my head that if something comes up that I think will be helpful, I'll share it.

 

Dave, having played around with standalones for years like you have, I think some of the tables that we dont have that you see a need for would be good to throw out there. I think some of the stuff like coil dwell, the launch maps (kinda like Link), etc that have been coming out recently are getting us closer but I am sure there are ones that you wish were there that we can look for.

For instance-

Fuel vs coolant temp ( the max rich AFR vs coolant temp) is only available in some ROMs, but that is one that I really like in the AEM software (and other standalones). I am sure there are others that you have in mind as they come to you as well.

aaron

 

This is what I think we are trying to get across. Dave, what would you like to see that you don't have right now so that it can possibly be looked into?