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Old Jun 2, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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Lower timing to 3*. Force open loop at idle and re-tune AFRs for 16.1:1 during idle ac/off only.

With AC on. 10-12* of ignition advance and 15.5:1 AFR. Raise RPM to 1000 with AC off, 1200 w AC on. Tune your maps accordingly.

The higher you raise timing at idle, the less it will lope. Same goes for AFR, the richer the AFR, the more stable the idle. Don't lean past 16.1:1 at idle with AC off unless you know what you're doing. Much leaner AFRs are capable at idle, but must be done carefully...and by a professional tuner that knows what to look for.

I run as lean as 17.5:1 at idle w/AC off, 15.5:1 w/AC on. You may have to play with the MIVEC maps as well on the IX to get the desired lope you're looking for. I suggest increasing overlap at idle.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by iTune
Lower timing to 3*. Force open loop at idle and re-tune AFRs for 16.1:1 during idle ac/off only.

With AC on. 10-12* of ignition advance and 15.5:1 AFR. Raise RPM to 1000 with AC off, 1200 w AC on. Tune your maps accordingly.

The higher you raise timing at idle, the less it will lope. Same goes for AFR, the richer the AFR, the more stable the idle. Don't lean past 16.1:1 at idle with AC off unless you know what you're doing. Much leaner AFRs are capable at idle, but must be done carefully...and by a professional tuner that knows what to look for.

I run as lean as 17.5:1 at idle w/AC off, 15.5:1 w/AC on. You may have to play with the MIVEC maps as well on the IX to get the desired lope you're looking for. I suggest increasing overlap at idle.

Thats basically how I induce heavy lope too. Before I realized it was more of a nuisance than anything. I spend more time trying to get RID of heavy loping these days haha.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by iTune
Lower timing to 3*. Force open loop at idle and re-tune AFRs for 16.1:1 during idle ac/off only.

With AC on. 10-12* of ignition advance and 15.5:1 AFR. Raise RPM to 1000 with AC off, 1200 w AC on. Tune your maps accordingly.

The higher you raise timing at idle, the less it will lope. Same goes for AFR, the richer the AFR, the more stable the idle. Don't lean past 16.1:1 at idle with AC off unless you know what you're doing. Much leaner AFRs are capable at idle, but must be done carefully...and by a professional tuner that knows what to look for.

I run as lean as 17.5:1 at idle w/AC off, 15.5:1 w/AC on. You may have to play with the MIVEC maps as well on the IX to get the desired lope you're looking for. I suggest increasing overlap at idle.
Hmm I'll have to do this when I get back...exactly how do you force the car into open loop though?
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:18 PM
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Advance the mivec at idle. That will cause it to lope too.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by awdboosted
Advance the mivec at idle. That will cause it to lope too.
Check original post...
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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O btw the grey car that has the super lope was a guy that decided to do no valve train and just threw cams in by themselves. I don't think that makes a difference, but can't you just mess with the overlap...cam gear time
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Off a tooth on the cam gear. They all lope, something is wrong on the install or Cosworth finally fixed their cam engineering. I doubt they fixed anything on the engineering.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMevoBOOST
O btw the grey car that has the super lope was a guy that decided to do no valve train and just threw cams in by themselves. I don't think that makes a difference, but can't you just mess with the overlap...cam gear time
Yup...I did the overlap and nothing.

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Off a tooth on the cam gear. They all lope, something is wrong on the install or Cosworth finally fixed their cam engineering. I doubt they fixed anything on the engineering.
Won't rule this out although I've been afraid of this the whole time. I double checked after I did the install and I'm 99% sure I was TDC all the way around. I'll check this later

Thanks for the input guys
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 08:27 PM
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I doubt they fixed anything on the engineering.
I actually lol'd
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 08:33 PM
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In with john bradley... you are off timing. M3's at idle should lope if your timing is where you say it is. Even with it pig rich it should lope still.

Edit: Shouldnt even idle at 850... no way its on time.

Last edited by BillSpec; Jun 4, 2010 at 08:36 PM.
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Old Jun 4, 2010 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack_of_Trades
I actually lol'd
My Grampa told me a long time ago to make at least one person laugh a day and you would do well. Seems I did okay today
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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 09:06 PM
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OK wait so am I off a tooth on the intake side, exhaust side, or crank pulley? Because even if the intake side was off a tooth, wouldn't adjusting the advance have some effect on the lope? If so, then the intake cam can't be the one that's off.
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Old Jun 7, 2010 | 05:35 PM
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Unless you are off more than one tooth (retarded). 15 crank degrees per tooth, so you could be a couple teeth off on the intake and even advancing the cam wouldnt necessarily make a difference.

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