SST MR/SE 1st gear TPS limiter FOUND!
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SST tables
Im happy for you Im having a problem shifting from 1 to 2 so may be I can use this tables if you are willing to share and explain to me hot to log and tune this evo x mr 2010, I have a file from this vehicle but cant open with ecuflash no definition file for this beside.
hope you can help me I have open port 2.0 and ecuflash and a XMR siting in the garage for some time now.
Help me out.
Oct 20, 2012, 08:06 PM
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Your ROM ID is 55580009.
That's not one that has been researched. It'll be a slightly later version of 55580006, which is very well supported. EcuFlash XML def (and EvoScan logging XML def) available for '0006 on Golden's website.
If you intend to get this vehicle tuned, ROM 55580006 is probably a better choice as a starting point. You can find the factory version of this in razorlab's stash of ROMs.
But... and it's a big But, I cannot lie...
Why do you think that this one 1st gear table will magically cure a 1st-to-2nd upshift problem?
If the car is stock, it shouldn't have this problem - it if does, it's likely an SST fault.
If the car is hardware-modded but has not been tuned, all bets are off.
In my humble opinion, hoping a tweak to a minor TPS limit table will fix an SST upshift problem is being a tad optimistic. There are circumstances when it can be used as a "band-aid" fix for SST stuff, but that's where engine torque levels have been increased beyond the ability of ECU-side SST table tuning to compensate.
I doubt that's the case here... what with there being no public XMLs for this ROM ID...
Rich
That's not one that has been researched. It'll be a slightly later version of 55580006, which is very well supported. EcuFlash XML def (and EvoScan logging XML def) available for '0006 on Golden's website.
If you intend to get this vehicle tuned, ROM 55580006 is probably a better choice as a starting point. You can find the factory version of this in razorlab's stash of ROMs.
But... and it's a big But, I cannot lie...
Why do you think that this one 1st gear table will magically cure a 1st-to-2nd upshift problem?
If the car is stock, it shouldn't have this problem - it if does, it's likely an SST fault.
If the car is hardware-modded but has not been tuned, all bets are off.
In my humble opinion, hoping a tweak to a minor TPS limit table will fix an SST upshift problem is being a tad optimistic. There are circumstances when it can be used as a "band-aid" fix for SST stuff, but that's where engine torque levels have been increased beyond the ability of ECU-side SST table tuning to compensate.
I doubt that's the case here... what with there being no public XMLs for this ROM ID...
Rich
Oct 21, 2012, 05:39 PM
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Your ROM ID is 55580009.
That's not one that has been researched. It'll be a slightly later version of 55580006, which is very well supported. EcuFlash XML def (and EvoScan logging XML def) available for '0006 on Golden's website.
If you intend to get this vehicle tuned, ROM 55580006 is probably a better choice as a starting point. You can find the factory version of this in razorlab's stash of ROMs.
But... and it's a big But, I cannot lie...
Why do you think that this one 1st gear table will magically cure a 1st-to-2nd upshift problem?
If the car is stock, it shouldn't have this problem - it if does, it's likely an SST fault.
If the car is hardware-modded but has not been tuned, all bets are off.
In my humble opinion, hoping a tweak to a minor TPS limit table will fix an SST upshift problem is being a tad optimistic. There are circumstances when it can be used as a "band-aid" fix for SST stuff, but that's where engine torque levels have been increased beyond the ability of ECU-side SST table tuning to compensate.
I doubt that's the case here... what with there being no public XMLs for this ROM ID...
Rich
That's not one that has been researched. It'll be a slightly later version of 55580006, which is very well supported. EcuFlash XML def (and EvoScan logging XML def) available for '0006 on Golden's website.
If you intend to get this vehicle tuned, ROM 55580006 is probably a better choice as a starting point. You can find the factory version of this in razorlab's stash of ROMs.
But... and it's a big But, I cannot lie...
Why do you think that this one 1st gear table will magically cure a 1st-to-2nd upshift problem?
If the car is stock, it shouldn't have this problem - it if does, it's likely an SST fault.
If the car is hardware-modded but has not been tuned, all bets are off.
In my humble opinion, hoping a tweak to a minor TPS limit table will fix an SST upshift problem is being a tad optimistic. There are circumstances when it can be used as a "band-aid" fix for SST stuff, but that's where engine torque levels have been increased beyond the ability of ECU-side SST table tuning to compensate.
I doubt that's the case here... what with there being no public XMLs for this ROM ID...
Rich
Thank you so much for all your help, I try to explain the problem in the best possible way, I m not sure if the ECU is been tuned, but after the cluch was replaced this problem begin, I read some TSb on Mitsubishi web site, regarding the trouble code I got from MUT III, it mention something about the hardware ID or software ID if it shows 00000 then the TCM needs to be programed, and after this I have to do a Teach in wirh MUT III, hope some one will know about this problem, I have a question what you guys do when yoy replaced the cluch or you have take down the transmission, what you do after when you put back the transmission.
That is the problem I have.I been serching all over for info, and you guys are the best all I need is a way to get this vehicle back on the road again, so since Im new at EVO, dont know what to do, but now I have a clue of what can be done, if I download the file you mention alone wth definition can I flash this to my ECU?,
another thing is that I update the ECU from mitsubishi website, so thats probably why there is no definition made yet, because is new.
I will try this roms tomorrow and hopefully I get it running again.
Best regards
Oct 21, 2012, 08:23 PM
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Was the clutch replaced by a Mitsubishi dealership? If so, you need to take it back to the dealer and get them to diagnose the fault... and go from there.
If the clutch was replaced by some aftermarket shop, take the car back to them.
Rich
If the clutch was replaced by some aftermarket shop, take the car back to them.
Rich
Oct 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
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2010 evo SST
It was replaced on my friends shop we bought this kit in USA, everything is ok but the problem is I need to make the transmission learn again the values ?.
Oct 22, 2012, 04:50 PM
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Your problem won't be anything related to the 1st gear TPS limiter table, then. That much I can say for certain.
Your best bet is to contact the US kit supplier.
Rich
Your best bet is to contact the US kit supplier.
Rich
Nov 21, 2012, 08:58 PM
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2012 MR SST lag / hesitation observation.
I have a 2012 MR that has that nasty 1st gear hesitation. I've come to get used to it but have now noticed a condition where it doesn't have any lag or hesitation.
I live in Pennsylvania and bought the MR in July. Since the weather has changed, being November now, the temperatures are around freezing in the mornings. On cold days, after start up, the 1st gear lag is gone for the first few minutes until the engine warms. The idle is raised to around 1200 to 1500 RPM and the revs are allowed to rise to about 2500 RPM before clutch engagement. This makes it feel totally different, until the engine temps go to normal and then the lag comes back......
Could this be a clue as to what can be changed to allow these conditions to remain even after the engine is up to temperature? It's a definite rev increase before clutch engagement that's linked to ambient air temps or engine temps in some way. Unless the air temps are under about 45 degrees at start up the lag is there. Under that and it's a different car for the first 1/2 mile or so.
I've looked into this problem since I've had it and I haven't seen a 100% solution yet.
Any Ideas?
I live in Pennsylvania and bought the MR in July. Since the weather has changed, being November now, the temperatures are around freezing in the mornings. On cold days, after start up, the 1st gear lag is gone for the first few minutes until the engine warms. The idle is raised to around 1200 to 1500 RPM and the revs are allowed to rise to about 2500 RPM before clutch engagement. This makes it feel totally different, until the engine temps go to normal and then the lag comes back......
Could this be a clue as to what can be changed to allow these conditions to remain even after the engine is up to temperature? It's a definite rev increase before clutch engagement that's linked to ambient air temps or engine temps in some way. Unless the air temps are under about 45 degrees at start up the lag is there. Under that and it's a different car for the first 1/2 mile or so.
I've looked into this problem since I've had it and I haven't seen a 100% solution yet.
Any Ideas?
Sep 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
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Damn dude sorry your so pissed, but you aren't making the forum better by making it worse. Also that's not how the internet works.
razorlab , Apr 21, 2011 08:08 PM
Thanks to LeeX for finding the values, Tephra for finding an initial address and Golden for finding the rest!
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The SST MR/SE 1st gear TPS limiter has finally been found and able to be shut off / tweaked!
This is a USE AT YOUR OWN RISK thread. There was probably a reason Mitsubishi put this limiter in place, so again, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
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The 2009+ Ralliart SST does NOT have this limiter, only the MR / SE have it.
I tested this on my personal 2010 Ralliart, which has 100% in the values. I reduced them and the TPS was reduced at WOT in 1st gear.
One thing to note is I found that there also might be a TPS and MPH threshold for this as when the car is rolling at a certain speed the TPS limiter does not kick in. From a stop or slow speeds it kicks in. I will do further logging / testing of this.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN TESTED ON A MR / SE yet but I assume it works just like it did on my RA SST.
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Both tables control the 1st gear TPS limiter in RPM x TPS%. The first table is for Reverse and the second table is for Drive. Set these tables to 100% to remove this limit in Reverse or Drive.
Obviously be very careful now if you set Reverse to 100% as your throttle response in Reverse will now be different! Don't accidently reverse into solid objects!!!
It looks like the ECU will run about 10 units above what is in the table, in this log, I set it to 10% and it logged 20%
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2011 Ralliart 56940007
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="60c1e" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60bf4" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2010 USDM EVO MR / SE 5558xxxx and 2010 RA USDM 5559xxx
MR / SE:
RA:
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="608b2" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="627e8" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60888" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="627e8" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2009 EDM SST 54070007 and 2009 USDM Ralliart 53600010
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="607a2" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="625f0" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60778" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="625f0" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2008 USDM Evo MR
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="60756" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="6072c" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2008 JDM Evo MR 52370024
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="6075a" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="62594" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60730" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="62594" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
razorlab , Apr 21, 2011 08:08 PMThanks to LeeX for finding the values, Tephra for finding an initial address and Golden for finding the rest!
------------------------------------------------------------------
The SST MR/SE 1st gear TPS limiter has finally been found and able to be shut off / tweaked!
This is a USE AT YOUR OWN RISK thread. There was probably a reason Mitsubishi put this limiter in place, so again, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
------------------------------------------------------------------
The 2009+ Ralliart SST does NOT have this limiter, only the MR / SE have it.
I tested this on my personal 2010 Ralliart, which has 100% in the values. I reduced them and the TPS was reduced at WOT in 1st gear.
One thing to note is I found that there also might be a TPS and MPH threshold for this as when the car is rolling at a certain speed the TPS limiter does not kick in. From a stop or slow speeds it kicks in. I will do further logging / testing of this.
THIS HAS NOT BEEN TESTED ON A MR / SE yet but I assume it works just like it did on my RA SST.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Both tables control the 1st gear TPS limiter in RPM x TPS%. The first table is for Reverse and the second table is for Drive. Set these tables to 100% to remove this limit in Reverse or Drive.
Obviously be very careful now if you set Reverse to 100% as your throttle response in Reverse will now be different! Don't accidently reverse into solid objects!!!
It looks like the ECU will run about 10 units above what is in the table, in this log, I set it to 10% and it logged 20%
------------------------------------------------------------------
2011 Ralliart 56940007
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="60c1e" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60bf4" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2010 USDM EVO MR / SE 5558xxxx and 2010 RA USDM 5559xxx
MR / SE:
RA:
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="608b2" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="627e8" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60888" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="627e8" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2009 EDM SST 54070007 and 2009 USDM Ralliart 53600010
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="607a2" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="625f0" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60778" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="625f0" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2008 USDM Evo MR
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="60756" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="6072c" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="6258e" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
2008 JDM Evo MR 52370024
<scaling name="Throttle Cap" units="%" toexpr="x/1024*100" frexpr="x/100*1024" format="%.1f" min="0" max="100" inc="0.5" storagetype="uint16" endian="big"/> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Reverse)" address="6075a" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="62594" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table> <table name="SST 1st gear TPS limiter (Drive)" address="60730" category="SST" type="2D" scaling="Throttle Cap"> <table name="RPM" address="62594" type="Y Axis" elements="18" scaling="RPM"/> </table>
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