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Old Jul 18, 2006, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by elhalisf
and i tunned mine to 11.8 a/f dropping down to 11.4 towards redline on 3rd gear pull with zero knock.

from what i have seen on the forums, most tunners will tune to 11.5 a/f on 93 octane.
That is too lean on 93 octane pump gas, IMHO. Do you do daily logging of your AFR/timing? I suspect that if you log daily you will see timing getting pulled with such high AFRs. I have been logging daily and I can tell you that there have not been two logs that are alike either with timing or with AFR. While a lot of the logs did not have pulled timing, some did. And I had my car professionally tuned by Tuning Technologies and the tune was conservative with 11:1 and tapering to 10.9-10.8 by redline.
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Originally Posted by DCSilvrEvo
HA! I totally understand what your sayin. WIDEBAND is the way to go. Sorry to steal the thread but... When its time for your wideband to retire does it not work at all or just give false readings?
It depends on the unit that you have. Some units (innovate is one) will give you an error message rather than give a false reading at that point you will either re-calibrate the sensor or change it. Other WB will just give false data until the sensor fails.
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Originally Posted by ShiftySVT
I'm using EvoScan to monitor the safety of any changes I make via EcuFlash. After doing some baseline runs on my completely stock IX, I'm getting O2 sensor voltages as high as 0.936. My question is whether or not this is useful info. I know I would need a wideband to get truly accurate A/F numbers, but could I still monitor safety with the O2 sensor voltage? Is there a cutoff voltage that I don't want to go over? I'm not looking to push the envelope with my tuning, I just want to do some mild changes and check the safety.
Narrow band sensors are inadequate for tuning in this day and age. People used to tune with them back when WB were not availalbe or were very expensive. Listen to what Mlibu and Ludi are telling you. Invest in a quality wideband and use it to tune your car. Zeitronix is a good and cheap unit.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
That is too lean on 93 octane pump gas, IMHO. Do you do daily logging of your AFR/timing? I suspect that if you log daily you will see timing getting pulled with such high AFRs. I have been logging daily and I can tell you that there have not been two logs that are alike either with timing or with AFR. While a lot of the logs did not have pulled timing, some did. And I had my car professionally tuned by Tuning Technologies and the tune was conservative with 11:1 and tapering to 10.9-10.8 by redline.
if you think thats agressive, check out my timing at 260 load!

2000 9
2500 9
3000 9
3500 9
4000 9
4500 10
5000 10
5500 10
6000 11
6500 13
7000 17
7500 18
11000 18


and like you said, 11.1 is a conservative tune on 91 octane. well i am looking for a agressive tune on 93. i dont daily log my a/f, but i have logged it over 10 times within the last 2 months.
Old Jul 18, 2006, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by elhalisf
if you think thats agressive, check out my timing at 260 load!

2000 9
2500 9
3000 9
3500 9
4000 9
4500 10
5000 10
5500 10
6000 11
6500 13
7000 17
7500 18
11000 18


and like you said, 11.1 is a conservative tune on 91 octane. well i am looking for a agressive tune on 93. i dont daily log my a/f, but i have logged it over 10 times within the last 2 months.
1. Why does your log go in 500 rpm increments. That is not enough. You need more data points in the log.

2. Running 9 degrees of timing at peak boost on pump gas is just too much IMO. The highest likelihood of knock happens at peak boost/peak torque situations. Almost all the logs that I have seen pull timing to 3-4 degrees at peak boost.
Old Jul 18, 2006, 07:37 AM
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FYI: TurboTrix tunes cars on 93 to 11.6-11.8.
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Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
FYI: TurboTrix tunes cars on 93 to 11.6-11.8.
but what does their timing curve and boost map look like?
Old Jul 18, 2006, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by nj1266
but what does their timing curve and boost map look like?

Im not at my computer to look at the timing curve, but they set my boost to 23 psi.
Old Jul 18, 2006, 10:38 AM
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I think ECU flash doesn't log o2 correctly. you have add 0.1 to your reading to be the same with my DSM logger reading.
And, water temperature wasn't correct either. you have to do subtact -10 to be the same range.
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Originally Posted by nj1266
but what does their timing curve and boost map look like?
I have a couple of TT maps from various cars and their timing is what I would consider conservative compared to say a dyno flash TTM tune. They also run seperate low and high octain/timing maps. Honestly, I was very impressed by how I saw their tune perform on a car with 91 octain in 90+ heat and humidity.
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Originally Posted by elhalisf
if you think thats agressive, check out my timing at 260 load!

2000 9
2500 9
3000 9
3500 9
4000 9
4500 10
5000 10
5500 10
6000 11
6500 13
7000 17
7500 18
11000 18


and like you said, 11.1 is a conservative tune on 91 octane. well i am looking for a agressive tune on 93. i dont daily log my a/f, but i have logged it over 10 times within the last 2 months.
WOW, that is aggressive. My car could NEVER handle that amount of timing @ peak tq on pump gas, espically in the 260 load area.
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I never noticed, but I don't use the O2 sensor voltage for anything.. the water temp looked correct on my logs however..
Old Jul 18, 2006, 11:26 AM
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IIRC my water temp reading is high too, like around 260 or so. IAT temp works though
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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
IIRC my water temp reading is high too, like around 260 or so. IAT temp works though
Yeah, IAT works good 260? dang that is dangerous! mine is around 204 but my other logger reads 194.
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260 isn't the true reading, its just what EVOScan is showing me. On my pocketlogger its usually in the high 170s low 180s. Highest I've EVER seen it was 196 once.
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