94170015 MAP to MAF Patch:
#16
you know, i was looking for that post, i know it got bumped not too long ago..i'll see what he is doing, i'm really not that in tune with the logging and tuning scheme of things. still in alpha stage, but the idle crap works grrrrrrreat!
EDIT: i'm not saying speed density is a LONG ways away, but i am saying i like my current MAF tune and don't want to risk tickets/scrutiny about my maps on evom/time/etc...lol..also, i have to wire up my motorola 4 bar or bite the bullet and get a jdm map sensor. either way, it will happen. i am still putting most of my free time into the coding/learning/so i don't sound like and idiot aspect of it all right now.
i will work on the logging when my clutch is in. thanks for all the input.
Last edited by evoredy; Oct 20, 2008 at 09:09 PM.
#18
thanks for the pdfs, i think i can cal my mdp now lol. hehe WIP
i'll work on situating an airtemp input, flatten it out for now, go over speed density theory and apply it over the next 2 days while my clutch is being installed.
#19
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I'm working on characterizing the readings. Because a range is given, I am using the nominal values of the range for the data points.
For the baro sensor, assuming 0kPa=0 VDC, the equation Voltage(v)=0.0394*pressure(kPa) (R^2=0.9902)
Using a non-zero intercept gives
Voltage(v)=0.0387*pressure(kPa)+0.0677 (R62=0.9905)
Seems like the zero intercept is close enough?
Using an NTC Thermistor model:
Beta=3300 and Ro=6000 and it's a very good fit to the data
Attached is the Excel graphs of the data from the FSM and the curves above.
I'm hoping somebody can fill in the code to make full speed density work. I have access to pressure and temperature standards and I'd do what I can to test out and characterize sensors as replacements to implement speed density if needed.
For the baro sensor, assuming 0kPa=0 VDC, the equation Voltage(v)=0.0394*pressure(kPa) (R^2=0.9902)
Using a non-zero intercept gives
Voltage(v)=0.0387*pressure(kPa)+0.0677 (R62=0.9905)
Seems like the zero intercept is close enough?
Using an NTC Thermistor model:
Beta=3300 and Ro=6000 and it's a very good fit to the data
Attached is the Excel graphs of the data from the FSM and the curves above.
I'm hoping somebody can fill in the code to make full speed density work. I have access to pressure and temperature standards and I'd do what I can to test out and characterize sensors as replacements to implement speed density if needed.
Last edited by 03whitegsr; Oct 20, 2008 at 09:57 PM.
#20
I'm working on characterizing the readings. Because a range is given, I am using the nominal values of the range for the data points.
For the baro sensor, assuming 0kPa=0 VDC, the equation Voltage(v)=0.0394*pressure(kPa) (R^2=0.9902)
Using a non-zero intercept gives
Voltage(v)=0.0387*pressure(kPa)+0.0677 (R62=0.9905)
Seems like the zero intercept is close enough?
Using an NTC Thermistor model:
Beta=3300 and Ro=6000 and it's a very good fit to the data
Attached is the Excel graphs of the data from the FSM and the curves above.
I'm hoping somebody can fill in the code to make full speed density work. I have access to pressure and temperature standards and I'd do what I can to test out and characterize sensors as replacements to implement speed density if needed.
For the baro sensor, assuming 0kPa=0 VDC, the equation Voltage(v)=0.0394*pressure(kPa) (R^2=0.9902)
Using a non-zero intercept gives
Voltage(v)=0.0387*pressure(kPa)+0.0677 (R62=0.9905)
Seems like the zero intercept is close enough?
Using an NTC Thermistor model:
Beta=3300 and Ro=6000 and it's a very good fit to the data
Attached is the Excel graphs of the data from the FSM and the curves above.
I'm hoping somebody can fill in the code to make full speed density work. I have access to pressure and temperature standards and I'd do what I can to test out and characterize sensors as replacements to implement speed density if needed.
gotta sleep now. pt in the morning.
#22
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Tried this out today on my way to work.
Only issue i really had was getting the immobilizer off so i could get the car to start. The car drove really strange when it was cold sometimes going pretty lean.
Other than that I think its running fairly normal. I forgot to transfer my boost limit and desired engine load over so i ran right into fuel cut, yay. Plus i'm running about .5 AFR leaner on top which isn't too bad can tune that out quickly.
Only issue i really had was getting the immobilizer off so i could get the car to start. The car drove really strange when it was cold sometimes going pretty lean.
Other than that I think its running fairly normal. I forgot to transfer my boost limit and desired engine load over so i ran right into fuel cut, yay. Plus i'm running about .5 AFR leaner on top which isn't too bad can tune that out quickly.
#23
Tried this out today on my way to work.
Only issue i really had was getting the immobilizer off so i could get the car to start. The car drove really strange when it was cold sometimes going pretty lean.
Other than that I think its running fairly normal. I forgot to transfer my boost limit and desired engine load over so i ran right into fuel cut, yay. Plus i'm running about .5 AFR leaner on top which isn't too bad can tune that out quickly.
Only issue i really had was getting the immobilizer off so i could get the car to start. The car drove really strange when it was cold sometimes going pretty lean.
Other than that I think its running fairly normal. I forgot to transfer my boost limit and desired engine load over so i ran right into fuel cut, yay. Plus i'm running about .5 AFR leaner on top which isn't too bad can tune that out quickly.
just be careful please, but thanks for trying it out and giving input.
EDIT: my mdp cal table is absolute garbage too lol (but safe). if someone fixes that before me, please post it up!
Last edited by evoredy; Oct 21, 2008 at 10:09 AM.
#24
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there is still stuff to be known/logged/documented about the offset/ve_table changes i'll work out unless someone beats me to it. i did go a little leaner on idle which can be tuned, but no boost cruise is spot on the WBO2. i feel i may be running on the more than i want, but under real boost (+5ish above) afrs are where they need to be.
just be careful please, but thanks for trying it out and giving input.
EDIT: my mdp cal table is absolute garbage too lol (but safe). if someone fixes that before me, please post it up!
just be careful please, but thanks for trying it out and giving input.
EDIT: my mdp cal table is absolute garbage too lol (but safe). if someone fixes that before me, please post it up!
I am getting some intermittent knock because i was a tad leaner than normal but nothing crazy. The fuel cut scared the **** out of me though
#27
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Well took the car one quite a few test runs everything is checking out. I really just need to make timing adjustments for my new cams. As i'm getting knock counts around 2-3 in the lower rpm ranges.
Running really conservative settings and timing right now 10.8 AFR and 20.5psi of boost just to be safe as i test out this map
Running really conservative settings and timing right now 10.8 AFR and 20.5psi of boost just to be safe as i test out this map
#28
Well took the car one quite a few test runs everything is checking out. I really just need to make timing adjustments for my new cams. As i'm getting knock counts around 2-3 in the lower rpm ranges.
Running really conservative settings and timing right now 10.8 AFR and 20.5psi of boost just to be safe as i test out this map
Running really conservative settings and timing right now 10.8 AFR and 20.5psi of boost just to be safe as i test out this map
my cal could be off to about 5-6ish psi. i just threw numbers in there so i wouldn't go linear MAP under mid/full boost. good stuff though. this is a real crude example of SD, but should get the wheels turning. for my idle issues, its great.
on a side note, i'm watching the other SD thread as it seems a lot of good minds are running with some good info/theories.
#30
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As soon as this pans out im jumping on it. Between the injectors, cams, new turbo kit, I have to baby it to a stop or it starts going super rich and choking up wanting to stall. I have my fuel trims in check. Was actually thinking of just giving up and going with a stand alone
Tried tinkering with scaling the MAF no luck there same crap
Tried tinkering with scaling the MAF no luck there same crap
Last edited by gsrboi80; Oct 22, 2008 at 05:07 AM.