Figured it out: Low boost false knock (aka low boost flutter)
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[QUOTE=Raptord;10469363]WGDC will stay at 0 until boost control activates. The clicking sound only manifests itself when WGDC is > 0 and < 100.[/QUOT
ok let me back up for a second.. i have the "under this load" WGDC stays 100% - set to 200. i have attached a screen shot of my WGDC table and my min load for boost control. if the WGDC is staying at 100% until i reach a load of 200 which is around 3300 RPM...
so essentially it's never at "0"... and then according to my WGDC map it stays 100% until about 3K rpm.
at 3K my logs are way above "86 load" so BC is already engaged.. how am i still hearing the pulsating?
ok let me back up for a second.. i have the "under this load" WGDC stays 100% - set to 200. i have attached a screen shot of my WGDC table and my min load for boost control. if the WGDC is staying at 100% until i reach a load of 200 which is around 3300 RPM...
so essentially it's never at "0"... and then according to my WGDC map it stays 100% until about 3K rpm.
at 3K my logs are way above "86 load" so BC is already engaged.. how am i still hearing the pulsating?
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so essentially it's never at "0"... and then according to my WGDC map it stays 100% until about 3K rpm.
at 3K my logs are way above "86 load" so BC is already engaged.. how am i still hearing the pulsating?
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If you hear pulsing at WOT solving the issue isn't by tuning, it's about sound deadening the solenoid.
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Maybe I'm misreading you but I just want to clarify that the pulsating is the WGDC clicking on and off. At 0 it's always OFF and at 100 always ON this is no sound. This has nothing to do with boost control being on or off. It has to do with WGDC duty cycle between 0 and 100 which make it pulse on/off about 20 times per seconds, at different on/off times depending on duty. That's what you are hearing.
If you hear pulsing at WOT solving the issue isn't by tuning, it's about sound deadening the solenoid.
If you hear pulsing at WOT solving the issue isn't by tuning, it's about sound deadening the solenoid.
i dont hear the pulsating throughout the whole WOT pull... i hear between 3K- and 5K RPM when the BC is adjusting WGDC. once it obtains a fixed value and im at peak boost.. it stops.
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I have the same problems with my evo. I just recently install grimmspeed boost controller and i bolt it directly onto the frame. I get alot of knock at low rpm( up to 34 knocks begin at 2500 or 3000rpm). It will stay knocking until i let off the gas. But even sometime i let off the gas and then i push on the gas lightly, the knocks engine light come back on with fast flash. But sometime i let off the gas and press on the gas, the knocks go away and i can boost again. Often it will knocks at any gears at low rpm with lightly pressing on the gas. But if sometime it doesnt knocks then i wot it and it runs fine with maybe 1 or 2 knocks.
The following is what i have done to my car: stock evo9 ported exhaust manifold, bolt on GT3076r turbo with internal wastegate (25lbs spring),muse dump tube,wisco 8.3:1 piston,manley rods, bc 276 cam, fadanza cam gear, bc valve spring retainer, cop ignition kit,880cc precision injector, fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator, walbro 400 pump, grimmspeed boost control,3" thick intercooler,bigger oil cooler, speed density, egr delete with block off plate, omni map4, 6 pucks act clutch, prosport boost n fuel pressure n oil pressure gauge, aem afr gauge,injen full intercool piping, tail bov,Oil catch tank. street tune 430hp @ 29psi.
The following is what i have done to my car: stock evo9 ported exhaust manifold, bolt on GT3076r turbo with internal wastegate (25lbs spring),muse dump tube,wisco 8.3:1 piston,manley rods, bc 276 cam, fadanza cam gear, bc valve spring retainer, cop ignition kit,880cc precision injector, fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator, walbro 400 pump, grimmspeed boost control,3" thick intercooler,bigger oil cooler, speed density, egr delete with block off plate, omni map4, 6 pucks act clutch, prosport boost n fuel pressure n oil pressure gauge, aem afr gauge,injen full intercool piping, tail bov,Oil catch tank. street tune 430hp @ 29psi.
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I have the same problems with my evo. I just recently install grimmspeed boost controller and i bolt it directly onto the frame. I get alot of knock at low rpm( up to 34 knocks begin at 2500 or 3000rpm). It will stay knocking until i let off the gas. But even sometime i let off the gas and then i push on the gas lightly, the knocks engine light come back on with fast flash. But sometime i let off the gas and press on the gas, the knocks go away and i can boost again. Often it will knocks at any gears at low rpm with lightly pressing on the gas. But if sometime it doesnt knocks then i wot it and it runs fine with maybe 1 or 2 knocks.
The following is what i have done to my car: stock evo9 ported exhaust manifold, bolt on GT3076r turbo with internal wastegate (25lbs spring),muse dump tube,wisco 8.3:1 piston,manley rods, bc 276 cam, fadanza cam gear, bc valve spring retainer, cop ignition kit,880cc precision injector, fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator, walbro 400 pump, grimmspeed boost control,3" thick intercooler,bigger oil cooler, speed density, egr delete with block off plate, omni map4, 6 pucks act clutch, prosport boost n fuel pressure n oil pressure gauge, aem afr gauge,injen full intercool piping, tail bov,Oil catch tank. street tune 430hp @ 29psi.
The following is what i have done to my car: stock evo9 ported exhaust manifold, bolt on GT3076r turbo with internal wastegate (25lbs spring),muse dump tube,wisco 8.3:1 piston,manley rods, bc 276 cam, fadanza cam gear, bc valve spring retainer, cop ignition kit,880cc precision injector, fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator, walbro 400 pump, grimmspeed boost control,3" thick intercooler,bigger oil cooler, speed density, egr delete with block off plate, omni map4, 6 pucks act clutch, prosport boost n fuel pressure n oil pressure gauge, aem afr gauge,injen full intercool piping, tail bov,Oil catch tank. street tune 430hp @ 29psi.
This must be an annoying problem if "drop boost on high knock" is activated in tephra v7. Knock doesn't have the time to decay from cruise situation and spool is retarded.
Start by mounting it on something thick and soft.
This has been discussed here and will help with your problem:
(left is minimum load for boost control, right is knock load(knock ignored under these load values)
Last edited by domyz; Nov 6, 2012 at 09:27 AM.