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Old Jan 4, 2017, 05:53 AM
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Full boost coming very Late.

I recently bought a dual ball bearing turbo from a Taiwanese company. 66.5 mm compressor wheel 0.70 A/R and 62.2 mm turbine wheel 0.82 A/R. I have an evo 7 with Stock head, S2 cams, valve springs and retainers , Skunk 2 pro intake manifold, MAPerformance exhaust manifold t3. Turbosmart 38mm wastegate with 1.2 BAR spring installed. BLITZ boost controller.

The issue i am facing is the turbo starts spooling around 3000 RPM but i dont get full boost untill 6200 RPM. Rev limit is 8400 , no matter how quick i shift boost drops during the shifts.
I have checked for boost leaks , fixed them but still full boost is so late. People running similar spec turbos get full boost at 5000 - 5500 RPM max. [ tried increasing the gain on boost controller but it did not have any effect and never experienced any boost spike ]

I have tuned it with different Air Fuel ratio & timing combination during spool up but they dont seem to have any effect.

Please advise how to trouble shoot this problem ?

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Old Jan 5, 2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mines5
I recently bought a dual ball bearing turbo from a Taiwanese company. 66.5 mm compressor wheel 0.70 A/R and 62.2 mm turbine wheel 0.82 A/R. I have an evo 7 with Stock head, S2 cams, valve springs and retainers , Skunk 2 pro intake manifold, MAPerformance exhaust manifold t3. Turbosmart 38mm wastegate with 1.2 BAR spring installed. BLITZ boost controller.

The issue i am facing is the turbo starts spooling around 3000 RPM but i dont get full boost untill 6200 RPM. Rev limit is 8400 , no matter how quick i shift boost drops during the shifts.
I have checked for boost leaks , fixed them but still full boost is so late. People running similar spec turbos get full boost at 5000 - 5500 RPM max. [ tried increasing the gain on boost controller but it did not have any effect and never experienced any boost spike ]

I have tuned it with different Air Fuel ratio & timing combination during spool up but they dont seem to have any effect.

Please advise how to trouble shoot this problem ?

Attaching the log
http://www.4shared.com/file/gimOXTCJ...ull_boost.html
This could be your issue try a mbc to see if it works well
Old Jan 5, 2017, 08:40 PM
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Have you looked at turbo wheels?
Old Jan 6, 2017, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by evo8vz
This could be your issue try a mbc to see if it works well
MBC is the last option ill try and if it still didnt work then i think precious $ wasted.

Btw the same boost controller i had while tuning 6262 and it had no lag problem.
Old Jan 6, 2017, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 4b11slayer
Have you looked at turbo wheels?
They are just like new sir.
Old Jan 7, 2017, 10:56 PM
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High exhaust manifold back pressure - could it be forcing your wastegate open too early?

How are you controlling boost? Are you using a solenoid valve? If so, is it hooked up like this:

Old Jan 8, 2017, 05:36 AM
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Well , i cant say for sure about exhaust back pressure .

Yes , using a solenoid but routing is a bit different. Ill post a photo in a day or 2. I need to check the waste gate gasket again.

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For higher boost there is an alternative EBC setup that provides tighter control of the wastegate:



You will immediately see a much higher baseline boost psi if you use this setup. Make sure you zero out your boost tables first to see what the baseline boost is before starting to add back duty cycle.
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Originally Posted by cdrinkh2o
For higher boost there is an alternative EBC setup that provides tighter control of the wastegate:



You will immediately see a much higher baseline boost psi if you use this setup. Make sure you zero out your boost tables first to see what the baseline boost is before starting to add back duty cycle.
Thanks sir, ill set it up like this and see if it affects or not.

Alternatively , if i want to hook up an MBC should i set it up like above and leave the top port of wastegate open ?
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Originally Posted by mines5
I recently bought a dual ball bearing turbo from a Taiwanese company. 66.5 mm compressor wheel 0.70 A/R and 62.2 mm turbine wheel 0.82 A/R. I have an evo 7 with Stock head, S2 cams, valve springs and retainers , Skunk 2 pro intake manifold, MAPerformance exhaust manifold t3. Turbosmart 38mm wastegate with 1.2 BAR spring installed. BLITZ boost controller.

The issue i am facing is the turbo starts spooling around 3000 RPM but i dont get full boost untill 6200 RPM. Rev limit is 8400 , no matter how quick i shift boost drops during the shifts.
I have checked for boost leaks , fixed them but still full boost is so late. People running similar spec turbos get full boost at 5000 - 5500 RPM max. [ tried increasing the gain on boost controller but it did not have any effect and never experienced any boost spike ]

I have tuned it with different Air Fuel ratio & timing combination during spool up but they dont seem to have any effect.

Please advise how to trouble shoot this problem ?

Attaching the log
http://www.4shared.com/file/gimOXTCJ...ull_boost.html

Not to be dick, but put a real turbo on the car, and you likely won't have this issue. People running "similar" spec turbos with earlier boost threshold is likely because they are running a high quality turbo, with good aero from PTE, FP, Garret, etc.
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Not to be dick, but put a real on the car, and you likely won't have this issue. People running "similar" spec s with earlier boost threshold is likely because they are running a high quality , with good aero from PTE, FP, Garret, etc.
You are right Sean.

Looking for a dealer in middle east who has fp turbos available in stock.

Xona 7164 or a Precision 6062
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Does the car pull hard when boost kicks in? And its just a laggy turbo?
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Originally Posted by 4b11slayer
Does the car pull hard when boost kicks in? And its just a laggy ?
Yes the car pulls hard after 6500 rpm, it just doesnt like coming into boost early.
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Buy a fp red bro. **** is magic
Old Jan 10, 2017, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 4b11slayer
Buy a fp red bro. **** is magic
Its kind of off topic..
I am a big fan of Fp turbos , tried 3 times to get fp turbo but i cant make a wire transfer directly to their account because of strict govt policy. Paypal doesn't work here so i am literally handy capped in this matter.


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