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Theres enough information on this forum to allow anyone to tune SD. Look at Scheides guide. The information is practically spoon fed to you. Its a very good guide.
There are a lot of people on this forum that can setup SD, not just vendors.
Look at the info on this forum and you will see no vendors helped decompile hex code from the rom or decipher any of the coding. If you search this forum you will see all the people mainly responsible for what we have today to work with (All sporting an EvoM Guru red badge under their names). Back in the day people had to open roms in hex editors and edit the hex just to edit the maps and didnt even know injector scaling was possible or any of the new stuff we have this day and age.
Just because someone owns a shop and is successful doesn't mean they know more then someone else that doesn't own a shop and doesn't profit off the same thing.. remember that. Some people have more interest in certain things, therefore they will teach themselves every aspect of that specific thing, while others may not put as much time and effort into it. with that said, E-Spec tunes a lot of cars on SD and I would personally take my car there if I was in there area and was looking for a SD tune/conversion and didn't want to do it myself. So there you go for NY people wanting SD go to E-spec if you want it done by a shop.
There are a lot of people on this forum that can setup SD, not just vendors.
Look at the info on this forum and you will see no vendors helped decompile hex code from the rom or decipher any of the coding. If you search this forum you will see all the people mainly responsible for what we have today to work with (All sporting an EvoM Guru red badge under their names). Back in the day people had to open roms in hex editors and edit the hex just to edit the maps and didnt even know injector scaling was possible or any of the new stuff we have this day and age.
Just because someone owns a shop and is successful doesn't mean they know more then someone else that doesn't own a shop and doesn't profit off the same thing.. remember that. Some people have more interest in certain things, therefore they will teach themselves every aspect of that specific thing, while others may not put as much time and effort into it. with that said, E-Spec tunes a lot of cars on SD and I would personally take my car there if I was in there area and was looking for a SD tune/conversion and didn't want to do it myself. So there you go for NY people wanting SD go to E-spec if you want it done by a shop.
Please remember that now that you have a shiny vendor tag under your name. Alot of us started in the same ring. Hell just search for "razorlab". I think I have more post counts with that name then this name. In fact I might be going back to that username soon.
To put it totally truthfully, I've only tuned a handful of SD cars and every one has taken more then twice the time to get working correctly. Anybody that says it takes the same amount of time then a MAF tune is incorrect.
- bryan
Last edited by GST Motorsports; Nov 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM.
true. i was mainly referring to the evoM guru people though that really did all the coding for the ecu. I retract my statement though, because there is no way of knowing a vendor names history on here. like you just showed an example, i didn't know you were razorlab, and that username has 5k+ posts on it.
It only takes one if you're doing it right, and you seem like the type of person i am.... you wont let something go unless its done right.
It only takes one if you're doing it right, and you seem like the type of person i am.... you wont let something go unless its done right.
true. i was mainly referring to the evoM guru people though that really did all the coding for the ecu. I retract my statement though, because there is no way of knowing a vendor names history on here. like you just showed an example, i didn't know you were razorlab, and that username has 5k+ posts on it.
It only takes one if you're doing it right, and you seem like the type of person i am.... you wont let something go unless its done right.
It only takes one if you're doing it right, and you seem like the type of person i am.... you wont let something go unless its done right.
I wasn't taking a jab at you at all, I hope you don't think that. It just irks me when people automatically think certain members are evil because they have vendor attached to their virtual name.
- Bryan
Yes totally understood, the ECU disassembly gurus are the true heros and in all honesty deserve much more then they currently get.
I wasn't taking a jab at you at all, I hope you don't think that. It just irks me when people automatically think certain members are evil because they have vendor attached to their virtual name.
- Bryan
I wasn't taking a jab at you at all, I hope you don't think that. It just irks me when people automatically think certain members are evil because they have vendor attached to their virtual name.
- Bryan
While I for sure agree that there are others that can tune SD without a doubt, I will disagree that just because some people have the "vendor" tag under their name doesn't mean they aren't an enthusiast first, and "vendor" second.
Please remember that now that you have a shiny vendor tag under your name. Alot of us started in the same ring. Hell just search for "razorlab". I think I have more post counts with that name then this name. In fact I might be going back to that username soon.
To put it totally truthfully, I've only tuned a handful of SD cars and every one has taken more then twice the time to get working correctly. Anybody that says it takes the same amount of time then a MAF tune is incorrect.
- bryan
Please remember that now that you have a shiny vendor tag under your name. Alot of us started in the same ring. Hell just search for "razorlab". I think I have more post counts with that name then this name. In fact I might be going back to that username soon.
To put it totally truthfully, I've only tuned a handful of SD cars and every one has taken more then twice the time to get working correctly. Anybody that says it takes the same amount of time then a MAF tune is incorrect.
- bryan
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Have you got any Better quality dyno print outs just to see spool up? i suspect alot of people will be looking into this set up thinking just buy fp black and upgrade other bits later like forging engine and transmission upgrades ect... what its like to drive on the street and what partial throttle and spool like?
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Thank you for the positive reiews/comments.
I'm greatfull that the gurus on this forum (Tephra , Mrfred, John Bradley, l2r99, Razorlab, Buschur) paved the way to making all of this knowledge so readilly available to the evo community. This forum can be a powerfull tool when we are working towards a common goal instead of shaking pompoms for our favorite people. Some personalities are the type to 'blaze the trail' of development and some decide to follow the footsteps of common knowledge.
I owe the biggest thanks to the 2 guys that allowed me to practice and develop my own style of speed density manipulation-- 1 for the evo 8 and 1 for the evo 9. We began tuning the evo 8 at 8pm and finished at 8AM! The evo 9 was an all nighter as well. Now, a year later, cars are set-up on speed density to drive with-in 15mins and deliver the smoothness that people have really gotten attatched to. As I've said before, there's just some experiences that a dyno sheet can't relay.
As we move further forward in development of speed density we will be announcing the release of a new strategy for stock ecu's--->
- E-Spec "Flex-fuel" Flash.
Thanks for your support and keep the opinions coming!!
I'm greatfull that the gurus on this forum (Tephra , Mrfred, John Bradley, l2r99, Razorlab, Buschur) paved the way to making all of this knowledge so readilly available to the evo community. This forum can be a powerfull tool when we are working towards a common goal instead of shaking pompoms for our favorite people. Some personalities are the type to 'blaze the trail' of development and some decide to follow the footsteps of common knowledge.
I owe the biggest thanks to the 2 guys that allowed me to practice and develop my own style of speed density manipulation-- 1 for the evo 8 and 1 for the evo 9. We began tuning the evo 8 at 8pm and finished at 8AM! The evo 9 was an all nighter as well. Now, a year later, cars are set-up on speed density to drive with-in 15mins and deliver the smoothness that people have really gotten attatched to. As I've said before, there's just some experiences that a dyno sheet can't relay.
As we move further forward in development of speed density we will be announcing the release of a new strategy for stock ecu's--->
- E-Spec "Flex-fuel" Flash.
Thanks for your support and keep the opinions coming!!
We called top speed,the shop,fid ,ams,mellon,jester,4ws,top level,ivey tune,forged performance,and some others either they say no,not worth it,it's a fad,you don't need it,by the time you tune it you can buy a aem,or leave your car for 3 days for it to be done for it to be right..Any way good luck with your s.d tune..
The only thing you cant take away from what SD does is it removes a restrictive maf which will result in 10-20whp 90% of the time. I was going to do it to my own evo but decided against it for now. Also bov to atmosphere will assist in better throttle response as well.. anything restrictive will effect the overall charactorists how the evo acts and responds once removed.
Do not get SD done by a remote tuner it must be done in person.
If you're gonna let a shop do it the only shops I can recommend to do it if you're local to them are AWD motorsports (FL), GST motorsports (Cali), E-spec (NY), English Racing (WA), Not sure who else im forgetting but I apologize. CBRD (PA) can also do it if Chad calls his friend Kreionic in to do it.
Do not get SD done by a remote tuner it must be done in person.
If you're gonna let a shop do it the only shops I can recommend to do it if you're local to them are AWD motorsports (FL), GST motorsports (Cali), E-spec (NY), English Racing (WA), Not sure who else im forgetting but I apologize. CBRD (PA) can also do it if Chad calls his friend Kreionic in to do it.
In my opinion to do it properly the car has to first be tuned on a MAF to establish a baseline for a proper VE table etc..
We dont set them up on Speed Density.... and unless I really get interested to do so, we will continue the way we are right now
Glad your car is working nicely
cb
I did not say "it doesnt work", I said I haven't been impressed with the functionality of it.... We have yet to have a SINGLE Speed density car tuned by VARIOUS tuners that drove like a maf housing car does... bottom line... thats not to say there arent any out there.
In my opinion to do it properly the car has to first be tuned on a MAF to establish a baseline for a proper VE table etc..
We dont set them up on Speed Density.... and unless I really get interested to do so, we will continue the way we are right now
Glad your car is working nicely
cb
In my opinion to do it properly the car has to first be tuned on a MAF to establish a baseline for a proper VE table etc..
We dont set them up on Speed Density.... and unless I really get interested to do so, we will continue the way we are right now
Glad your car is working nicely
cb
Just curious,,,, why?
