FP Red bb or BW 7670
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FP Red bb or BW 7670
Hi all,
Kicking around these two for build.
2.4 by Spring.
Requirements:
Stock frame
DD 500whp. Will be running dual map, however I'd be happy running 93.
I like a broad powerband, something that will hit hard soon and hold.
BB only...
Gonna bolt it on to my stock block for the next 4 months or so.
These two seemed like good choices. I'm open to other suggestions, however I'm only considering BB setup.
Pick one?
Kicking around these two for build.
2.4 by Spring.
Requirements:
Stock frame
DD 500whp. Will be running dual map, however I'd be happy running 93.
I like a broad powerband, something that will hit hard soon and hold.
BB only...
Gonna bolt it on to my stock block for the next 4 months or so.
These two seemed like good choices. I'm open to other suggestions, however I'm only considering BB setup.
Pick one?
performance wise the BW likely will edge out the red. but I would go with red hands down. I like the proven factory reliable bolt on parts. BW setup would be custom not yet proven setup.
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thanks for chiming in guys. Looks like I posted under the influence. Wrong section.
None the less i''l continue unless mods object.
leetEVO can you elaborate as to your preference??
Since the FP Red is a new design, according to FP, perhaps these are both
new.
None the less i''l continue unless mods object.
leetEVO can you elaborate as to your preference??
Since the FP Red is a new design, according to FP, perhaps these are both
new.
better response and more power... The downside being the EFR setup is more money and can also be hard to aquire as supply is limited currently.
costs:
fp red. 2500, 200 for 02, 200 for manifold. recirculated and quiet.
7670. 4800 kit. open dump. loud for a street car by most standards.
fp red proven awesome turbo for 2.4. 600whp capable.
7670 proven fragile and unreliable so far. virtually everyone who has mounted one on 4g63 has had it fail.
Seeing as I've owned both (orginal fp red)...I'd pick the 7670 myself.
original fp red is not BB. there is quite of bit of response difference between a BB red and original.
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what power do you want to make? If you looking at over 500 youll def need a Dump and also E85 or Meth Injection. I had a JB Red and made 443 but issues showed later lol. The BB Red is a sweet turbo but the Black BB is better IMO and spool is insane with it as well.
thats kinda vague.
costs:
fp red. 2500, 200 for 02, 200 for manifold. recirculated and quiet.
7670. 4800 kit. open dump. loud for a street car by most standards.
fp red proven awesome turbo for 2.4. 600whp capable.
7670 proven fragile and unreliable so far. virtually everyone who has mounted one on 4g63 has had it fail.
Seeing as I've owned both (orginal fp red)...I'd pick the 7670 myself.
original fp red is not BB. there is quite of bit of response difference between a BB red and original.
costs:
fp red. 2500, 200 for 02, 200 for manifold. recirculated and quiet.
7670. 4800 kit. open dump. loud for a street car by most standards.
fp red proven awesome turbo for 2.4. 600whp capable.
7670 proven fragile and unreliable so far. virtually everyone who has mounted one on 4g63 has had it fail.
Seeing as I've owned both (orginal fp red)...I'd pick the 7670 myself.
original fp red is not BB. there is quite of bit of response difference between a BB red and original.
The 7670 is also available in multple internal waste gated versions... both in t3 single scroll and the t4 twinscroll. Also remeber, they have an integrated BOV that is pretty niftty
as far as BB response, that may be true, but that 7670 is quite peppy. I'd wager more so then the red.
As for the failures..I can only comment on mine (and to my knowledge I've had the most failures hahaha)...one of which was caused by a motor failing (due to bad gas) and the second is still under review at Borgwarner.. Most of what people say is speculation... I can also tell you the support and service I've gotten has been top notch... So i assume that plays a role as well.
I had bad luck with the original FPreds, it left a bad taste in my mouth. You could also look at the hta3076 as well as several other turbos that will get you to your goal.
I see the point about it not being proven (as far as people other then me and a handful of others lol)....I'm just impatient lol...
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Any issues of fitment with the internally wastgated BW?
I am looking for stock fitting turbo and no dump tube.
Not going for the kit.
okay, now we've thrown the Black into the mix.
Like I said, my 2.4 will be done by April, that being the case.
I thought for sure I can hit 500 with the Red or BW
Any guesses as to rpm difference til full boost between red, black, BW on a 2.4?
I am looking for stock fitting turbo and no dump tube.
Not going for the kit.
okay, now we've thrown the Black into the mix.
Like I said, my 2.4 will be done by April, that being the case.
I thought for sure I can hit 500 with the Red or BW
Any guesses as to rpm difference til full boost between red, black, BW on a 2.4?
Any issues of fitment with the internally wastgated BW?
I am looking for stock fitting turbo and no dump tube.
Not going for the kit.
okay, now we've thrown the Black into the mix.
Like I said, my 2.4 will be done by April, that being the case.
I thought for sure I can hit 500 with the Red or BW
Any guesses as to rpm difference til full boost between red, black, BW on a 2.4?
I am looking for stock fitting turbo and no dump tube.
Not going for the kit.
okay, now we've thrown the Black into the mix.
Like I said, my 2.4 will be done by April, that being the case.
I thought for sure I can hit 500 with the Red or BW
Any guesses as to rpm difference til full boost between red, black, BW on a 2.4?
The RECORD on buschurs dyno is 570whp which is close to 650 on a DJ but isnt easy by any means.
As far as the OP the BW unit is HIGHLY unproven and has too many failures not just on the evo platform.
The FP RED will be pure beast on a 2.4.
If you dont mind waiting a few months im sure you can have one for cheaper though as there will be a couple new stock frame BB turbos from CBRD and MAP and people love to have the shiny new toy on the block.
Where did you find all these easy results that high for a red ?
The RECORD on buschurs dyno is 570whp which is close to 650 on a DJ but isnt easy by any means.
As far as the OP the BW unit is HIGHLY unproven and has too many failures not just on the evo platform.
The FP RED will be pure beast on a 2.4.
If you dont mind waiting a few months im sure you can have one for cheaper though as there will be a couple new stock frame BB turbos from CBRD and MAP and people love to have the shiny new toy on the block.
The RECORD on buschurs dyno is 570whp which is close to 650 on a DJ but isnt easy by any means.
As far as the OP the BW unit is HIGHLY unproven and has too many failures not just on the evo platform.
The FP RED will be pure beast on a 2.4.
If you dont mind waiting a few months im sure you can have one for cheaper though as there will be a couple new stock frame BB turbos from CBRD and MAP and people love to have the shiny new toy on the block.
