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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 01:41 AM
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2.3 with FP black take 3.....bbk-c d done...fp red done

kel 276 w/ 12.5 lift
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want to get a better tranny on her and ported head. she is trapping around 132 mph and has more left. We hav gone through 3 turbo after this its t4 twin scroll time. Want to take this car to 38 psi to hit 620-640....I have a 34 psi log that I cant find that was in the 588 range. Car is used around town often thats why the loww compression we only get 91 oct and ypu have to use boostane if tou want to boost anythimg over 24/25.

560 whp line 32 psi
all the other ones 29-30 psi


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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 07:23 AM
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what happened with the other turbos? with your setup the Fp black should be over 600, no?
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 08:48 AM
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what happened with the other turbos? with your setup the Fp black should be over 600, no?
He's running pump gas with an octane booster, power looks great.
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 12:42 PM
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what happened with the other turbos? with your setup the Fp black should be over 600, no?
red made 520 on q16 it broke very old

bbkc made 480 on pump sold it for profit

I am not running crazy high 10:1 compression. Car is putting up good numbers at the track too. My 60 ft arent great 1.8 but its trapping 132 mph running 11.2 maybe my vd dyno reads low because 130+ usually is 600 whp. At higher boost level 34-35 psi prob would make in the low 600 range and I also am not taking advantage of my crazy high lift because head isnt ported.
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 07:30 PM
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Ported heads and aftermarket intakes are over rated. You can make 800+ without either one. I'm running a stock head and intake and stock TB with kelford 284hl cams 800hp. Your stock head flows 220cfm, and the intake flows 290 cfm, naturally aspirated that will rev you out past 8500 rpm easy. Your bottle neck is the turbo not the head. If you want to make big power on pump use a turbo with a big hotside and don't worry about spool. A ported head will probably only get you 30hp realistically. But a bigger turbo .....well the right choice +100hp no problem.
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 09:55 PM
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id gladly take 30 whp if a port can accomplish it

i might go into more boost in a few weeks
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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 07:49 AM
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Really awesome pump gas numbers for that turbo, your tuning is impressive! No meth right? I can't wait too see the final results.
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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 2winscroll
Ported heads and aftermarket intakes are over rated. You can make 800+ without either one.
Not with OEM frame turbos and MHI housings, you can't
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 07:39 PM
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Not with OEM frame turbos and MHI housings, you can't
If your trying to make that kind of power you shouldn't be using them anyway.
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Old Jul 29, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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If your looking for big pump gas numbers your gonna need to run lower boost pressures period. Then yes a ported head, huge cam, big hotside turbo are the combo you need. Rev it out to 9000 rpm don't be scared, a well built 2.3 can take it all day long. Oh yea modify your oil pan or buy an aftermarket one you'll suck it dry at 9000.
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Old Jul 30, 2016 | 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 2winscroll
If your looking for big pump gas numbers your gonna need to run lower boost pressures period. Then yes a ported head, huge cam, big hotside turbo are the combo you need. Rev it out to 9000 rpm don't be scared, a well built 2.3 can take it all day long. Oh yea modify your oil pan or buy an aftermarket one you'll suck it dry at 9000.
think i can rev it more i thought the turbo breaths till 8

my cams are big just need a port

looking for a dog box since the tranny broke head can wait till dic

any long runner type of manifold?

would like to see 675 on e98
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Old Jul 30, 2016 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 2winscroll
If your trying to make that kind of power you shouldn't be using them anyway.
You said you can make 800whp without porting the head, etc.

But this is a thread about stock-framed turbos...so to get the max power out of them (600whp on a Red for example), you most certainly need a ported head...especially with a cam like the GSC R2.

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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Erik@MIL.SPEC
You said you can make 800whp without porting the head, etc.

But this is a thread about stock-framed turbos...so to get the max power out of them (600whp on a Red for example), you most certainly need a ported head...especially with a cam like the GSC R2.

You don't need a ported head or huge cams to make power. I cranked out over 600whp on stock cams /head/block with a red on all the boost and ethanol. Between tuning ,good fuel and a good exhaust you can make anything run well.

What about using some c16 and maxing the turbo out. The engine would be much happier to run 30psi plus with octane.

Evo8cz if you are just going to drag the car you could move up to a 6266 and make 800whp + easily on good fuel. Stock frame stuff above a red doesn't make sense to me since its laggier and doesn't make the power of a properly sized turbo.
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Old Jul 31, 2016 | 07:46 PM
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But this is a thread about stock-framed turbos
In the first post I saw this so I guess I'm not sure what your talking about??

We hav gone through 3 turbo after this its t4 twin scroll time
the sooner the better , sell that FP black and go T4!!!
Before it blows up too!
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Old Aug 4, 2016 | 05:00 PM
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You don't need a ported head or huge cams to make power. I cranked out over 600whp on stock cams /head/block with a red on all the boost and ethanol. Between tuning ,good fuel and a good exhaust you can make anything run well.

What about using some c16 and maxing the turbo out. The engine would be much happier to run 30psi plus with octane.

Evo8cz if you are just going to drag the car you could move up to a 6266 and make 800whp + easily on good fuel. Stock frame stuff above a red doesn't make sense to me since its laggier and doesn't make the power of a properly sized turbo.

Crapped two transmissions out in one week. Paid my buddy 1k for one and it went bad think install on the tob might have been done incorrectly. Will just get a non HD Exedy multi disc clutch next time. Ordered a buschwacker today and going for it. So the big 6266 is going to have to wait. I kind of am interested in a XONA whatever is the new equivalent to the 3586 should be badass on a 2.3 imho. Car is going to the track this Sunday will update what it traps.
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