Stock block FF S366 budget build 93oct 28-29psi
 

Posting this up for Basit. Basit recently bought a new evo bone stock with 115k miles on it. Everything was pretty much stock in the car. He started swapping parts, and ended up with a bunch of different brands on the car.

After driving it for a bit he added the following:

PTE 1200cc
kelford 272
eBay / S-Max 4" FMIC
Tial WG & BOV
Aluminum driveshaft
Forward Facing Borg Warner T3 s366
3" TBE
Tephra v7 SD

At 26psi it made 493whp
At 28-29psi it made 523whp / 10* uptop

Im impressed by this car. The fact its on 93 octane and how it made power with off brand parts on it.

Graph: (Temps outside 55-60F) (Max smoothing: 519/373)

http://www.tscomptuned.net/_images/d...sit/basit2.jpg


Few pics of car before & after modded;

http://www.tscomptuned.net/_images/d...21555126_n.jpg

http://www.tscomptuned.net/_images/d...60273792_o.jpg

I would like to thank Steve / 5LEEPER for helping Basit with the logging and setting everything up. that makes it 10x easier for me. If anyone is from the Philly area that is scared to do this kind of tuning and needs help Steve can help no problem. It makes the tune session go much much quicker when a veteran is in control of the laptop / evoscan / logging.

This car deff rips! Compared to my 2.4L FP Black it feels super lazy spooling. We are comparing a 2.4L smaller turbo on E85 vs Stock 2.0L on 93 pump so thats expected it just makes you appreciate the 2.4L bec you forget how laggy the 2.0 is.

It is for sure making every bit of 520whp feels super fast once it gets going. I think this car with good driving should go 129-130 in the 1/4 miles easy!

Nice to see another stock block car rocking 500+whp! Although that thing seems like a lag monster, I guess it only helps keep his motor together haha. I would love to see what the set up does at the track.

On a side note, where did you get the plexiglass shield for the bumper?

With his tq it should last awhile! I think the motor has 114k on it so it will be interesting to see how long it holds up.

The plexiglass he made it i believe from home depot.

damn this turbo is very good!

do you have a boost log just for reference?

thanks!.
seems to be not to laggy.
It is a very big turbo!
66mm inducer & 91mm exducer rated at 82lb/min.

82lb min is exactly what the 6466 is rated to. This turbo does spool up very nice for its size just like the 6466!

yes...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ali-91oct.html

this is a good comparison with 6466.

Also they have the same cams.

this bw s366 is very cheap and good!

waiting for tom to know if it has a boost plot.

awesome ! i was looking to switch this turbo and FF setup as an "upgrade" from my 35r. i think this turbo really needs more boost to wake the car up and can be fully taken advantage of on a built motor with a 2.2/2.4. it would probably just be a lateral movement for me.

happy to see this on here and how well it did. i will probably run double batmowheel's though

interested in a boost plot as well

thanks for sharing

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Could you please overlay this with the 2.0 6466 on pump you recently did.

i didnt log boost, and yea he bought it off ebay used off a honda guy for 400 shipped or somthing

So..., the S366 is comparable to the 6466, right?

tom please overlay it with the 6466..
thanks

I think the S366 is a little bigger then a 3586 or like a 6266

is a 66mm compressor.

Thank you tom car rips but I wish I had a 2.4 . Still re learning how to shift car has act clutch so I'm trying to manage 4th gear lockout. Hopefully hitting track this weekend. Posting up more pics soon.

Also might add this car has 115k miles currently.

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Thanks for sharing Basit! Dont take it to the track until you adjust the clutch pedal properly right now the master cyl is not adjusted right if its locking you out. the ACT clutches are very picky and need just the right adjustment or you will get locked out.

I will overlay the 6466 car with this one guys as you request. I will get it done this week 100%.

This Turbo is smaller than the 6466 i think. Correct me if im wrong, but i believe the 6466 can flow 92lb/min

I don't know if 92 lb/min for the 6466 are a realistic data.


what do you think to about this turbo tom??
i think this in ts mode will be very nice.
this is the flow map of s366
http://www.full-race.com/store/image...-content-1.jpg

The 6466 flows 80lbs and the 6766 flows 90lbs.

compared this to a 6266 2.0 its near identical in spool

I have to disagree. The few stock block 6266 graphs I have seen, the 6266 spools quicker.

I found a graph from TSComp and the 6266 seem to spool 500rpm sooner, however the S366 caught up later in the graph. I also found a 6266 tuned by Mellon that showed the same 500rpm quicker spool, but kept that trend through out the graph. Both the graphs I looked at were on stock blocks, but weren't front facing. I'm sure the manifold has a lot to do with the different results.

This turbo/setup seems like it wants to rev and being on a stock motor, that would be hard to do.

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I compared this to the very last 6266 posted yesterday with similar mods. and it's spot on not saying they all match but these two are very similar


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guys 6266 is 4mm smaller on the comp side, obviusly is a quicker spooler on the same car.

Bw turbo are native twinscroll

Put a 6266 singlescroll and a s366 in twinscroll and u will notice the difference between the 2.

Precision 6266 are native singlescrool, bw are TWINSCROLL native.

So use a bw in ss is not good imho. it will work but not properly.

My bw s366 has the t3 single scroll exhaust housing. I feel that the shear size of the turbo is the cause of the late spool.

the 6466 is rated to 920hp from real street performance (92lb a min) as tom stated, i wrote 82lb a min as a typo****

this setup is a t3 open manifold, i think a bb 6266 would spool identical on a stock block like this s366 (a bb 6466 spooling only a 100-200rpm slower) although i think the 6466 would edge it out in power per lb. the 6266 should produce the same numbers and near identical spool from the dyno graphs ive seen on here. Im sure a twinscroll 6466 setup would outspool this setup though :p

agree

Better late then never. sorry for the delay guys, but here's the comparison requested. This is beyond interesting. They are two completely different cars, but this overlay is surprising none the less. Maybe both turbo manufacturers took a page out of each others books?

http://www.tscomptuned.net/_images/d...bw-vs-6466.jpg

The Titles are in the VD below where the log names show up. The 6466 car full info is found here: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ali-91oct.html

Tom I hate to be a bother but could you throw a similarly equipped 6266 pump gas VD in for comparison please and thanks

wow identical lol

ill have to dig something up. if you can find me a thread by chance i posted of a 6266 on 91-93 you want overlayed let me know, otherwise ill find something here. i only share about 20% of my work so if you cant find anything i will be able to on my computer somewhere for sure since i keep documents and folders of every car I've ever tuned.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...psi-93oct.html

There ya go Tom

any comparison for the same octane fuel?

and what manifold are you running? is it custom made?

Thats Pretty good power. I love those turbos.

What is the max you have made on pump gas with a 2.4l HTA86?

this is what we have seen on 2.3 HTA86 pump gas @ 32psi boost

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...97801085_n.jpg

What octane was the hta

What octane was the hta86? 93?

93 Octane seems about right... That graph drops harrrd. whats up with that?

octane is 98RON (US93)

that hta86 curve looks horrible. the hta86 is a 75lb/min~ turbo it should never just fall flat down like that at the end. either the tune is severely off boost vs timing vs fuel, or something else is drastically wrong with that vehicle choking it severely at high RPM.

I'll dig up and see what i have here that i can share. Just give me some time.

Why does it fall off like that up top??

Thats not good at all bro. {offtopic}

Think I need a smaller Borg Warner

I am waiting for the new 64.5mm s300sx FMW to come out in the next couple months. Supposed to put out s366 power while spooling it a lot faster. Way better alternative to a 6466 IMO.

Evans just tuned a s300sx fmw (62mm) and it made 625whp I believe. On 30psi. Can't beat the turbo considering it's half the price retail of any precision or gtx.

I'm using a BW K31 with a 1bar spring. I made fulll boost at 5500 rpm in 3rd. However something is wrong with my setup presently. No boost

i would check the compressor housing to see if there is a massive boost leak

will do

when ma get a ride bredda bredda?

This is sort of off topic so I apologize in advance. {offtopic}

For the plexi-glass set up with the FF turbo, does it interfere with the turbo receiving enough air?

^ yea. id be tempted to put a 4" speaker port covered in a wire mesh in-front of the turbo - even if its just to check to see if there is any difference in spool/ topend.

I have seen some of the higher horsepower EVOs with front facing turbo set ups, run a mesh. "The Machine" that JMS runs is like this.

Trackforged makes a nice 4" turbo screen that is actually tough

I would still leave plexiglass in there for DD use

btw, what fuel pump are you using?

With the plexiglass there its defeating the whole purpose of the FF setup.

I made sure to go with a FF setup that allowed for an air filter just for that reason. I don't want to block off the turbos ability to take advantage of its new location, and I didn't want random hard objects getting sucked in the turbo chipping the fins or damaging the turbo either.

As long as the mesh protects the turbo where you're running the car i dont see it being an issue, but what happens if you're on the interstate and a piece of rock hits the mesh and goes through the screen? Thats why i prefer a full air filter. A air filter is more restrictive then a screen though in regards to airflow.


Should have been just a walbro 255 high pressure and modified. It was 93 octane fuel.

Did someone ask me to overlay something else over this graph or did i get everything requested? Based on what we have seen, this turbo responds like a 6466.

but its only HALF the cost...

where is the topic?

thanks

It was on their Facebook page

A few pages back I asked for a overlay with a 6266 you did with 93.... please and thanks in advance

i can't find the info...
Link please?

THANKS

sorry I completely forgot about this. Is there a particular car i posted you want to see overlayed or do you want me to just do a random 6266 on 93?

i think its going to be similar to a 6466 on 93 vs 6266 based on what we have already seen.

Here is mine for spool reference. Nearly identical setup except 4" ETS IC Core, HKS 264s and a S300 FMW .91 ar

( That loss of fuel near the end has been fixed, oops )

http://mixedaperture.com/random/540-411.jpg

how reliable is the stock block with this set up?

The 64mm FMW is up on full race website now