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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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Neutral Clutch Engage=Creep Forward

Hey all -

When I engage the clutch (release the pedal) after first starting the car and slipping her into neutral, the car "presses forward". You can feel it try to move.

Mind you, it's cold around here. I've got 29K+ with a clutch replacement at 19K (ClutchMasters Stage 3).

The engagement point after replacement was real near the floor. After a long time I finally tried to adjust it. The engagement point's seemed a bit squirrelly all along.

There's also a rattle that goes away when I depress the pedal - I don't think that's there after she warms up alot.

The flywheel was not replaced and I don't think the TOB was either.

The shop that did the work took WAY too many hours to do it. But they'd put a plate on another '03 with good results (a friend).

Any input here? Do I have to live with this 'til this one dies? I've driven manuals for years and know I can be rough on the initial engagement point with a slip here or there but this is a different problem and worse in it's own way it seems to me.

Thanks for feedback!
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 02:02 PM
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Same thing happens to mine. 20k miles on original clutch, never adjusted and the pedal has the same amount of "free slop" near the beginniing of release it always had. It only happens when its really cold, but I don't remember it inching forward last year when it was cold. I'm guessing its just the cold fluid acting as a poor mans torque converter. It goes away after the car has been driven a few blocks and the trans fuid warms up. Oh yeah, I use MT-90 both last winter and this winter.
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 02:06 PM
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So when your shifter is in neutral, you car creeps forward when you let the clutch out?

If your clutch is engaging right off the floor, chances are that it's not fully disengaging. One good way to check this is to bring your car out to a flat surface. Step on the clutch, put the shifter in first gear, and bring the revs up. If the car starts creeping forward while your foot is still on the clutch, then you have clutch creep, which means that your clutch isn't fully disengaging. A clutch pedal adjustment should help fix your problem.
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by marksae
So when your shifter is in neutral, you car creeps forward when you let the clutch out?

If your clutch is engaging right off the floor, chances are that it's not fully disengaging. One good way to check this is to bring your car out to a flat surface. Step on the clutch, put the shifter in first gear, and bring the revs up. If the car starts creeping forward while your foot is still on the clutch, then you have clutch creep, which means that your clutch isn't fully disengaging. A clutch pedal adjustment should help fix your problem.
Nope, that doesn't happen... but thanks!
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 02:31 PM
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clarification for me, maybe. Car is started in neutral when cold, clutch released, car tends to push forward, right? If this is the problem then it can't be clutch related and it has to be the trans since the input shaft is suppossed to be spinning. Not that it matters that much to the Evo in particular but almost all of my manual trans cars have had this problem when it got cold (and they all ran synthetic tranny fluid).
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Old Dec 29, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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That's somewhat reassuring, AMX - and yes, you've got it right.

... and I have no idea what your name really stands for but I'm one who'd love an AMX Javelin w/390 4-speed... *Nods*
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Old Dec 30, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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It may be somewhat related to the cold weather. As the fluid cools/thickens it flows less freely and may be enough to try and rotate internal parts that are "disengaged." I've seen cars on a lift (with the wheels off) spin the axles while in neutral. My wife's Honda did this as well.
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