Tubular dudes.....here's a header.
Not to be the devils advocate here... but I think some of you people get a little too excited when you see something new from Buschur. The "Amazing Work" and "Can't wait too see results" for this thing is a bit overboard. Everyone on here will slam RNR's ramhorn manifold, but this thing is some gift from God? Maybe I just don't have the enthusiasm of you people, but this is a tubular, non-equal length manifold for the stock turbo. This has been done before, nothing new...
And I'm not knocking Buschur's work, they make serious stuff, I just think the excitement lately over some stuff is unwarranted.... I just have visions of this turning into another 20G thread.
And I'm not knocking Buschur's work, they make serious stuff, I just think the excitement lately over some stuff is unwarranted.... I just have visions of this turning into another 20G thread.
Dave, it is under construction. I have several going together at once. Hopefully I'll bring it down on Monday.
Actually I'm anxious to see the results. Dave took the time to slap that header together for the sole intention of testing it. Are there gains to be had over the stock header? Who knows, but he is wasting the time and cash to find out, I personally have not seen anyone else post this data. He's even being kind enough to test a stock replacement for me. So IMO opinion he should be applauded for it. He is 1 of 2 shops(maybe even the only one?) that actually tests products to this level.
Originally Posted by SuperHatch
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I have sent this photograph to my team of Guatomalan "prototypers" who have been anxiously waiting at a bunker in an undisclosed location. In less than 2 weeks time, we, Extreme Technologies will be releasing out Stage 29 tubular manifold for the Evolution. Stay Tuned.
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Originally Posted by Shearer
Dave, it is under construction. I have several going together at once. Hopefully I'll bring it down on Monday. Actually I'm anxious to see the results. He's even being kind enough to test a stock replacement for me.
Ron, check your emails!
Originally Posted by smp3000
how much will you be selling this manifold for?
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I have little or no desire to put this into production.
Anyway, for all you people that think that what I said automatically means I'm a bushur hater, you're ignorant. And to assume that I think this testing is worthless? Sure it has some value, but not much... Plenty of people have tested stock turbo tubular manifolds before with the same results, minimal power gains with a slight increase in spoolup. Should we expect any different here? If it makes more than 10HP I'll eat my words, but honestly, any part with a $ to HP ratio such as a manifold for the stock turbo is a waste IMO. Furthermore, I never said the manifold looked like crap, the consturction looks good, it looks like a quality piece, but I won't pay what it costs for a quality tubular manifold for my stock turbo when I'll get little return out of it.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
This is something I knocked out yesterday, fixture, welding, fitting and design....5 hours. I have little or no desire to put this into production. I can't spend 5 hours building a header for resale and neither can anyone else here.
Also with this design, being for the stock turbo, it is not a direct bolt on. I couldn't bring myself to buy one of the $300 headers that are being offered to test. I built this thick walled SS header the way I think one should be built.
Right after lunch I am going to test the last stock turbo combination on the RS on the dyno and then put this header on and see what happens. Sure would be nice to see over 400 whp on pump gas and the stock turbo.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
See now thats a part that i would buy from you in a heart beat. I have no idea why you dont want to make them???
this is a nice pc period
Originally Posted by SuperHatch
That answers that...
Anyway, for all you people that think that what I said automatically means I'm a bushur hater, you're ignorant. And to assume that I think this testing is worthless? Sure it has some value, but not much... Plenty of people have tested stock turbo tubular manifolds before with the same results, minimal power gains with a slight increase in spoolup. Should we expect any different here? If it makes more than 10HP I'll eat my words, but honestly, any part with a $ to HP ratio such as a manifold for the stock turbo is a waste IMO. Furthermore, I never said the manifold looked like crap, the consturction looks good, it looks like a quality piece, but I won't pay what it costs for a quality tubular manifold for my stock turbo when I'll get little return out of it.
Anyway, for all you people that think that what I said automatically means I'm a bushur hater, you're ignorant. And to assume that I think this testing is worthless? Sure it has some value, but not much... Plenty of people have tested stock turbo tubular manifolds before with the same results, minimal power gains with a slight increase in spoolup. Should we expect any different here? If it makes more than 10HP I'll eat my words, but honestly, any part with a $ to HP ratio such as a manifold for the stock turbo is a waste IMO. Furthermore, I never said the manifold looked like crap, the consturction looks good, it looks like a quality piece, but I won't pay what it costs for a quality tubular manifold for my stock turbo when I'll get little return out of it.
This manifold does have bigger runners then the ebay or other stock replacements. So it may work better. The dyno will tell us soon.
Originally Posted by jj_008
This manifold does have bigger runners then the ebay or other stock replacements. So it may work better. The dyno will tell us soon.
It looks thicker to me too
David,
What about porting the stock manifold? Is there room for improvement in it? I see the JET coated manifold on the Buschar website, but it doesn't mention porting.
Edit: Upon a quick search I found where you recommended just keeping the stock manifold. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...01&postcount=3
What about porting the stock manifold? Is there room for improvement in it? I see the JET coated manifold on the Buschar website, but it doesn't mention porting.
Edit: Upon a quick search I found where you recommended just keeping the stock manifold. https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...01&postcount=3
Last edited by mayhem; Feb 18, 2005 at 05:48 AM.
For those of you guys that get excited when I post something new or an idea I have I TRULY FREAKING APPRECIATE IT!!! You are the guys that keep me doing this. You guys keep me wanting to test new parts whether they work or not. You are the guys that keep me dumping countless hours into testing and thousands of dollars into projects for nothing but a dyno sheet to get some factual information. I thank YOU guys, you're the greatest.
For those of you that knock whatever I do/try or come up with, thank you too, you help me stay mad enough to continue my testing to prove something will work and I have to say atleast I am still honest and man enough to admit when it doesn't.
Anyway, I made some pulls on this header yesterday. First run the boost dropped about 2.5 psi. I turned up the boost to match where it was and ..............I gained 42 whp!!!!
Yeah right, gotcha! hahahahahaha
The car lost HP. The spool up sucks compared to the stock ported/ceramic coated manifold that was on there. (Which answers the question about porting the stock manifold, yes we port them before coating them)
I was going to try and try on the tune to get the power back but to be honest there is nothing really left and that isn't a fair comparison.
So what I have here is 5 hours of my time, 15 stock turbo flanges that were laser cut and about $500 in materials. What did it tell me? What it told me is IF THIS manifold I built won't make more power anywhere in the curve than the ported/coated stock manifold then nobodies will.
I would be more than willing to test one of the cheap ones some of you guys are buying, if you want to send me one SOON I can dyno test it and post results of that too. I am curious myself but unwilling to spend the money on one to test.
Sorry guys, I really wanted to pick up 12 whp with this and be able to break 400 whp on pump gas.......just didn't happen. ****.
p.s. Anyone want to buy it cheap?
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
For those of you that knock whatever I do/try or come up with, thank you too, you help me stay mad enough to continue my testing to prove something will work and I have to say atleast I am still honest and man enough to admit when it doesn't.
Anyway, I made some pulls on this header yesterday. First run the boost dropped about 2.5 psi. I turned up the boost to match where it was and ..............I gained 42 whp!!!!
Yeah right, gotcha! hahahahahaha
The car lost HP. The spool up sucks compared to the stock ported/ceramic coated manifold that was on there. (Which answers the question about porting the stock manifold, yes we port them before coating them)
I was going to try and try on the tune to get the power back but to be honest there is nothing really left and that isn't a fair comparison.
So what I have here is 5 hours of my time, 15 stock turbo flanges that were laser cut and about $500 in materials. What did it tell me? What it told me is IF THIS manifold I built won't make more power anywhere in the curve than the ported/coated stock manifold then nobodies will.
I would be more than willing to test one of the cheap ones some of you guys are buying, if you want to send me one SOON I can dyno test it and post results of that too. I am curious myself but unwilling to spend the money on one to test.
Sorry guys, I really wanted to pick up 12 whp with this and be able to break 400 whp on pump gas.......just didn't happen. ****.
p.s. Anyone want to buy it cheap?
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
david, you truly are one of the best out there. very professional and not just in it for yourself tho i'm sure you get gratification in what you do otherwise you wouldn't be doin it. keep up the great work and good luck to ya with ALL your projects!