hey guys i just recently ordered the vishnu adjustable cam gears last night...i didnt have enough money to get the camshaft they offer...i was wondering how hp do u think i would get just from adding the cams?..and is bad for the to install the cams with out better camshaft?..i also ordered the injen ses cat-back exhaust w/test pipe and the injen downpipe..with the cams how much hp u think i might make?...300 maybe?

 

ive heard of people installing the camshafts and used them w/ stock gears but never the other way around. i think your best chance for increase in hp is aftermarket camshafts, then use aftermarket gears to smooth things out. the turboback exhaust would probably add a good 20hp.

 

Why in the world did you get cam gears? That should be the last thing you get after all the basic mods and camshafts. I wouldn't be asking or even worrying about hp figures until you get the right parts on your car. With the exhaust, get a flash, mbc, boost gauge, and fuel pump (300+ whp). Then, when you have the money, get the cams you want and start using the cam gears (330+ whp).

I don't think cam gears are useful by themselves, and you don't get any increase in hp just by installing them.

 

ditto

 

right..thanks..i wasnt going to install them before the camshaft..but my friend who has a gs-t said he put cam gears in his car and he got like 20 hp idk guess i dont need to listen to him..he did upgrade the turbo tho soo i dont know thanks for the tips

 

Ok, that explains it. I wouldn't trust that 20hp claim with just cam gears. They aren't a power adder, they just help you adjust your cams for optimum performance.

 

well guess i need to save up for that camshaft then lol and prolly the walbro fuel pump since that is pretty resonable..i need to ask my friend about what he has acutally done.. all i know is he has a dejon ic and intake they look like crap and has a upgraded turbo w/exhaust he claims he has around 350-360hp and thats without the camshaft?..

 

lol

 

He doesn't have 350-360hp. This is all old school stuff from the DSM days. I'm assuming your friend has a 2g Eclipse, so that means his original turbo was a piece of crap called the t-25. He had to upgrade his turbo just to be as good as the turbo on the 1g (14b) or the Evo (big16g). He may have done a larger turbo, but from the sounds of it, I doubt it. To guess his hp, I'd need to know all of his mods, but if he has aftermarket intake/turbo-back exhaust (tbe)/injectors/nbgk bpr7es plugs/8.5mm wires/walbro 255 fuel pump/16g turbo/FMIC (big upgrade)/upper intercooler pipe/BOV/S-AFC, then he's capable of more than 300 hp, but only if done properly. You didn't say whether he was claiming wheel hp or crank hp, so I'll assume CRANK hp. There's no way he has 350-360 whp from what you've said, but I doubt he even has 350-360 crank hp, which would be around 310-320 whp.

I still don't think you should even be THINKING about cams until you do all of the basic upgrades (tbe/mbc/boost gauge/fuel pump/flash). Cams are no joke...they do provide a LOT of power, but you don't just throw them in with a stock car. You maximize their utilization by combining them with a free flowing exhaust (tbe), enough fuel supply (fuel pump + injectors), and the right tuning (flash and/or s-afc).

 

right..yeah i am taking this all in what all of u guys are saying..i will def put that stuff on hold..the only things i was planning on installing was the exhaust,dp,test pipe, and apr carbon fiber splitter...i understand what ur saying..yeah he has a 2g and he thinks its the best thing ever..when i told him i got an evo he laughed and called it a toy i was like u bastard...from what i know he doesnt have injectors or fuel pump or ic piping...he has just got HIDs, he got a carbon fiber hood,projector headlights,hks bov, cat-back exhaust i think its a magnaflow,no tuning or managment what so ever, the dejon ic and intake..i think his turbo is the 16g and from the look at his engine pay all of his stuff is like held together by 100mile tape and some screws its a bad site..but i will ask him again what his mods are

 

Cat-back? The more you say, the worse it sounds. Not only is your friend not putting down 350-360 hp, he may not even be putting down 250-260hp. I find it very hard to believe that he went through all the trouble to upgrade his turbo, which requires a lot of changes on a 2g, since the other Mitsu turbos don't bolt-on in place of the t-25, but yet he doesn't even have a real exhaust. With all the headlight and carbon fiber stuff, he sounds like a typical ricer that happens to have a non-rice car. Unfortunately, his car is probably not nearly as fast as it could or should be.

As for you, again, I don't know why you would need a splitter, but you do need the exhaust. You don't need to say all those different parts of the exhaust, because it's all just a turbo-back exhaust (tbe). I wouldn't recommend a test pipe unless you don't have emissions/inspections and don't have any fear of getting a really bad ticket for illegal exhaust. Then, you still need the flash/mbc/gauge and you'll be at or above 300 wheel hp, which is a ton. I still don't know how you even got around to THINKING about cams, much less going to the point of buying cam gears. Try the things I suggested...they aren't expensive or hard to install. The exhaust will cost more than the other 3 things combined.

 

yeah i am def going to take ur advice..i just want to do things right with this car even tho i havent started out very good..as for the cf spliter idk i just wanted alil something for looks didnt want to really change the whole bumper u know..but i am def going to take ur advice should of came here first instead of talkin to my friend

 

You have one thing that many don't: you're willing to listen and will admit when you don't know something. You will go very far and be very successful with that attitude. We're here to help, but be sure to do forum searches if and when you come up with more questions.

Also, I guess you haven't tried it yet, but I'm pretty sure you could smoke your friend's gs-t with no mods.

 

lol no i havent tried it..was thinking about..this guy i swear thinks he is like the hottest kid on the block him and this dude with a talon which basically has the same setup..i pulled up to say whats goin on etc and they were like another evo hahaha..i was like okay? but yeah thanks for the help

 

Personally, I think cam gears are a waste of money. Should have saved up for the cams but oh well.

Id start with full exhaust, MBC, Walboro Fuel Pump, intake (if you want) some choose to keep stock box and it seems to do well. Must get tuned also! I did those mods and added HKS 272s and IC piping, check out my numbers! I have very little mods but it sure opened things up. Also, you do NOT need injectors with cams.