EXHAUST MANIFOLD != HEADER

Turbo cars do not have headers, it is an exhaust manifold.

 

You obviously have no idea what your talking about. This thread is about an AFTERMARKET HEADER. Almost all stock cars have exhaust manifolds, turbo or not. When it becomes custom tubular steel pipes welded together, its called a HEADER.

The name header comes from the muscle car era, when guys would remove the stock EXHAUST MANIFOLDS which were cast iron pieces and replaced them with tubular steel piping units called HEADERS. Learn your terminology before spewing out BS to make other people look stupid, cause you might be the one who looks stupid afterall.

 

dnp, had mine over a year now, no supporting brakets, all ok.. if you click on my pics tommorow youll see what it looks like over time.. all i can say is you better have a wire wheel brush and a drill.. its a pain to keep clean but all ss headers are.. if you have the extra money get it coated..

 

wrong

 

very intelligent response. i can see you are the turbo car expert

 

As they say in Texas...

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then they beat you with experience."

 

This is what I have always heard. NA cars have headers and turbo cars have exhaust manifolds. My understanding is that headers travel from the engine block to the cat where exhaust manifolds travel from the engine block to the turbo or turbine. Even on all the performance parts sites they call them tubular maifolds etc. Not trying to get involved in a fight just voicing what I've seen and heard.

 

Taken from http://www.dougsheaders.com/exhaust_components/


"Exhaust Manifolds and Headers

The exhaust manifolds which come on a vehicle from the manufacturer are usually made of cast iron and have a different design criteria than the performance consumer desires. The vehicle manufacturer designs exhaust manifolds to remove the exhaust gases as economically as possible. They look at how quickly and easily the manifolds can be installed on the engine and how easily the engine, with the manifolds installed on the engine, will install into the vehicle. The performance aspect of the exhaust manifold is of minor importance in its design. As a result of these factors the standard exhaust manifolds usually consist of a common runner with each cylinder having a short runner that connects it to the exhaust port on the cylinder head. The exhaust header has a completely different design criterion. Performance is the main factor in the design of exhaust headers. An exhaust header utilizes individual tubes to extract the exhaust gases from the engine as efficiently as possible. The use of individual tubes presents some challenges to the designer. A quality header must be as efficient as possible and at the same time fit into the confines of the engine compartment, as well as providing ease of installation and maximum clearances to any heat sensitive accessories. Exhaust headers are manufactured using mild steel, or stainless steel tubing. The choice of the material to be used is determined by the application it will be used on. Later model vehicles, equipped with catalytic converter must use thick wall 14 gauge mild steel or stainless tubing in order to survive the heat that is generated by the engines exhaust."

Now that the lesson is over, can we get back on topic with how this product performs and sounds?

 

http://www.wrxtuners.com/parts/default.php?cPath=48_24

 

why then do they call them tubular manifolds... and why then do they call them cast equal length headers?

header and manifold are interchangeable... header stems from the fact that it comes off the cylinder head, it's the first tubes out of the engine... it heads the exhaust flow.

every car has a header/manifold. unless ti's running the cylinder head right into the atmosphere...

manifold is an engineering term, sadly adapted to cars because ti's always freakin' mistaken for the wrong ****.

 

holy ****, ok for the last time, yes differnt people call them different names because they essentially perform the same function. In the 60's guys would buy new muscle cars, remove the exhaust manifolds and install what they called headers, which are the same as a tubular manifold. I was merely pointing out to the guy above who posted the end all be all post that NO turbo car EVER has a HEADER on it. Ask any muscle car guy about his tubular exhaust manifold, and he will look at you like your retarded, and say, do you mean the headers?? Its just that over the last 40 or 50 years people just used different names to describe the same part. The easiest way for me at least, is to describe the part thats directing the exhaust out of the head as either a manifold (a cast piece) or a header (a tubular steel piece). That keeps it simple. Now let me try to put this into Evo terms, the buschur turbo kit comes with an exhaust manifold, the AMS turbo kit comes with a header. You can also call it a tubular manifold, but why, its a header plain and simple. It just simplifies describing the parts and gets rid of the confusion when you call them by 2 different names. Why is this concept so difficult for everyone??

 

that's absolutely good for nothing when everyone uses different terminilogy... use either interchangebly... and just specify... because you will run into cast long tube headers and tubular manifolds as terminilogy.

 

So anything yet?

 

Still waiting on some final testing. Sorry for the delay.

Ben

 

so hows it coming along?