Dyno results
Originally Posted by edwin
first of all, I'm going to get rid of this crap dynoflash. its either aem or utec
I am trying to understand why you are upset considering that 301.6whp seen low to you. You already seen it, most of the people think that you did great on the dyno.
Why do you all the sudden hate your tunning?
Originally Posted by xiaoni420
carlos, the temps were not lower man...it was about 100 degrees in the shop at the time with a bunch of humidity. it was not on a cool day, i can assure you that. be careful with what you say when you dont really know. paz.
Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
What are you trying to get out of your car Edwin?, you and me already lined up many times and we are dead even from a roll at any speeds. We also have identical trap speed at the the local track when other Evos normally much slower except Ray using Nos and Scot using Nos.
I am trying to understand why you are upset considering that 301.6whp seen low to you. You already seen it, most of the people think that you did great on the dyno.
Why do you all the sudden hate your tunning?
I am trying to understand why you are upset considering that 301.6whp seen low to you. You already seen it, most of the people think that you did great on the dyno.
Why do you all the sudden hate your tunning?
Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Edwin,
Remember my yellow WRX?, I had a UTEC on that car plus $6500 more dumped on the engine alone not including labor or tunning.
I took my car to the guys that has the most experience tunning WRX's , His name is Clark(AZscoobie) and he lives in Phoenix, in fact he works for Kingpinperformance in Phoenix.
I did my tunning at Dyno-comp for one and a half hours including doing all the AF ratios and all that. My car was only .4 sec faster at SIR track, that was after I did the turbo upgrade, so I spent:
$1100 on a turbo upgrade
$575 on the injectors
$100 on a fuel pump
$1050 on the UTEC plus remote switch
$270 for 1.5 hours for usage of Dyno-comp Dyno
$150 for 1.5 hours for Clark tunning
$350 labor for turbo swap and injectors
add all that and it is roughly $3600. so $3600 got me only .4sec faster once, remember , I only did one time a 13.266sec@104.32 pass on the wrx, I was doing 13.7 with stock turbo, no UTEC,no injectors , no fuel pump. I was hoping much more with the UTEC.
My tunning was done on 91oct and pushing 18PSI on the ported and polished FP18G turbo. I walked in dynoying a 211WHP and walked out with 280WHP.
Don't always think the UTEC is that great, my car ran like trash after the dyno tunning, the turbo lag was horrible(almost 5000rpms), and the car had no low end with the A/C on.
The botton line Edwin is that the UTEC might work better for you but don't hope to make much more power that what you have (I think).
I remember when we met the first time and you use to have the 03 EVO, we use to be very even, we drove a few miles pedal to the floor from aviation to Valencia.
Then after I did the upgrades(bigger turbo, UTEC injectors, tunning) we were in Ajo way and we gunned at 55MPH and I could bearly pass you, remember? all this thanks to the POS UTEC...
my .2c
Remember my yellow WRX?, I had a UTEC on that car plus $6500 more dumped on the engine alone not including labor or tunning.
I took my car to the guys that has the most experience tunning WRX's , His name is Clark(AZscoobie) and he lives in Phoenix, in fact he works for Kingpinperformance in Phoenix.
I did my tunning at Dyno-comp for one and a half hours including doing all the AF ratios and all that. My car was only .4 sec faster at SIR track, that was after I did the turbo upgrade, so I spent:
$1100 on a turbo upgrade
$575 on the injectors
$100 on a fuel pump
$1050 on the UTEC plus remote switch
$270 for 1.5 hours for usage of Dyno-comp Dyno
$150 for 1.5 hours for Clark tunning
$350 labor for turbo swap and injectors
add all that and it is roughly $3600. so $3600 got me only .4sec faster once, remember , I only did one time a 13.266sec@104.32 pass on the wrx, I was doing 13.7 with stock turbo, no UTEC,no injectors , no fuel pump. I was hoping much more with the UTEC.
My tunning was done on 91oct and pushing 18PSI on the ported and polished FP18G turbo. I walked in dynoying a 211WHP and walked out with 280WHP.
Don't always think the UTEC is that great, my car ran like trash after the dyno tunning, the turbo lag was horrible(almost 5000rpms), and the car had no low end with the A/C on.
The botton line Edwin is that the UTEC might work better for you but don't hope to make much more power that what you have (I think).
I remember when we met the first time and you use to have the 03 EVO, we use to be very even, we drove a few miles pedal to the floor from aviation to Valencia.
Then after I did the upgrades(bigger turbo, UTEC injectors, tunning) we were in Ajo way and we gunned at 55MPH and I could bearly pass you, remember? all this thanks to the POS UTEC...
my .2c
#2 - What do you think ~20minutes tuning, 40 minuties talking on the phone will produce a good tune?
#3 - Sergio, you and me in my car - Sergio driving, remember what you told me when u got out of my car......"WOW, your car pulls HARD even with 3 ppl in there" and that was @19psi. I am glad i got rid of that "cut and paste" dynoflash **** after a week and went fot the utec
#4 - tuning isnt something you can do in 1.5 hours on a dyno. Too many variables, heat, humidity...in real world driving. Its a process over days/month till you achieve the "perfect" map
Lastly, whats the point of having the utec w/o the tuner? Kind of like driving a car without gauges
Last edited by SlowCar; Sep 4, 2005 at 02:33 AM.
Ok at 1st I can go AEM EMS rite? did you see nick's dyno?
2nd I did hit 301hp but then it just drop rite after that.
3.. look my dyno its going crazy on there. its that smooth???
4.. I do have knock with my 21psi on 91, all the time at hight rpm for sure! I test it wole week.
I just hate it, him, tuning...
For that money man.. save it for a good tuner..
One more. why you pay$ for tuning.. you want the fast, pull, smooth. safe(no knock)
What i got here.
Do you???
2nd I did hit 301hp but then it just drop rite after that.
3.. look my dyno its going crazy on there. its that smooth???
4.. I do have knock with my 21psi on 91, all the time at hight rpm for sure! I test it wole week.
I just hate it, him, tuning...
For that money man.. save it for a good tuner..
One more. why you pay$ for tuning.. you want the fast, pull, smooth. safe(no knock)
What i got here.
Do you???
Last edited by edwin; Sep 4, 2005 at 04:01 AM.
Originally Posted by SlowCar
#1 - doesnt mean that the more $$$ you dump on your car, you will go faster - better know what you are doing
#2 - What do you think ~20minutes tuning, 40 minuties talking on the phone will produce a good tune?
#3 - Sergio, you and me in my car - Sergio driving, remember what you told me when u got out of my car......"WOW, your car pulls HARD even with 3 ppl in there" and that was @19psi. I am glad i got rid of that "cut and paste" dynoflash **** after a week and went fot the utec
#4 - tuning isnt something you can do in 1.5 hours on a dyno. Too many variables, heat, humidity...in real world driving. Its a process over days/month till you achieve the "perfect" map
Lastly, whats the point of having the utec w/o the tuner? Kind of like driving a car without gauges
#2 - What do you think ~20minutes tuning, 40 minuties talking on the phone will produce a good tune?
#3 - Sergio, you and me in my car - Sergio driving, remember what you told me when u got out of my car......"WOW, your car pulls HARD even with 3 ppl in there" and that was @19psi. I am glad i got rid of that "cut and paste" dynoflash **** after a week and went fot the utec
#4 - tuning isnt something you can do in 1.5 hours on a dyno. Too many variables, heat, humidity...in real world driving. Its a process over days/month till you achieve the "perfect" map
Lastly, whats the point of having the utec w/o the tuner? Kind of like driving a car without gauges
No ofense but most of the times that I spoke with you(Abner) you have had tunning mishaps, perhaps I spoke with Edwin while you guys were in the way to Vividracing and apparently you did not take your car becuae it was not running right.
About a month ago we were talking in the parking lot of Stackbucks and again you told me that your engine was not working well at higher RPMS.
Even when we went for a ride with Sergio you instructed him to not pass 5000rpms.
I few months ago you had trouble with the iddle in your car, with the cams installation your car was spitting black smoke
I mean, I am not trying to put pressure on you but honestly I don't know why your cars is always having difficulties.
If you have to run through soo much tunning and adjusting with the UTEC then the UTEC is not for me. I am aware that you and me are two different drivers, you have a freaking engineering degree and you are a very smart guy but for me the custom Flash is working just fine, no problems, no detonation @21 psi like is happening to Edwin, no problems reving up to 8000rpms.
I am aware that an agressive tunning on a UTEC could squeeze more power I just don't understand why making 301.6whp on a Dyno Mustang seen that cathastrophic when in reality is not. And my best way to describe it is that Edwins car is as fast as mine.
What's up Edwin?
The deal with Dyno's is they all read different. The key is to get a baseline from one then return to the same one to check on your improvements.
Dynojets read a bit high and don't really represent the real world with loads on the motor.
My first run on the Dynocomp in Phx was like 214hp. My last with a miss due to bad plug gap was 280 (and I did one in between at 266). So at least I hava a good history of my work.
I'm pretty sure my 280 on the Dynocomp would be over 300 on a dynojet. Numbers mean nothing.
A smooth tune, that's streetable, is the goal...except if you want to be one of those "track only" guys.
You have to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is.
Good luck
The deal with Dyno's is they all read different. The key is to get a baseline from one then return to the same one to check on your improvements.
Dynojets read a bit high and don't really represent the real world with loads on the motor.
My first run on the Dynocomp in Phx was like 214hp. My last with a miss due to bad plug gap was 280 (and I did one in between at 266). So at least I hava a good history of my work.
I'm pretty sure my 280 on the Dynocomp would be over 300 on a dynojet. Numbers mean nothing.
A smooth tune, that's streetable, is the goal...except if you want to be one of those "track only" guys.
You have to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is.
Good luck
Originally Posted by bishiboy
What's up Edwin?
The deal with Dyno's is they all read different. The key is to get a baseline from one then return to the same one to check on your improvements.
Dynojets read a bit high and don't really represent the real world with loads on the motor.
My first run on the Dynocomp in Phx was like 214hp. My last with a miss due to bad plug gap was 280 (and I did one in between at 266). So at least I hava a good history of my work.
I'm pretty sure my 280 on the Dynocomp would be over 300 on a dynojet. Numbers mean nothing.
A smooth tune, that's streetable, is the goal...except if you want to be one of those "track only" guys.
You have to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is.
Good luck
The deal with Dyno's is they all read different. The key is to get a baseline from one then return to the same one to check on your improvements.
Dynojets read a bit high and don't really represent the real world with loads on the motor.
My first run on the Dynocomp in Phx was like 214hp. My last with a miss due to bad plug gap was 280 (and I did one in between at 266). So at least I hava a good history of my work.
I'm pretty sure my 280 on the Dynocomp would be over 300 on a dynojet. Numbers mean nothing.
A smooth tune, that's streetable, is the goal...except if you want to be one of those "track only" guys.
You have to ask yourself what your ultimate goal is.
Good luck