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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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I dont need to and thats what I think your missing the boat on. This isnt a vital exhaust component that you can mark up and expect people to purchase. At best its going to add 10hp. Ill spend my money on another item to make that 10 hp up. This isnt a NA Honda where every hp counts.
Then that's your opinion and you're fully entitled to it, but that doesn't mean anything about Works nor the people working their nor their credibility as a ligitimate vendor/manufacturer.

If you don't like the product, or can't justify the costs, then let other people worry about it for themselves.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by fsugatorbait
lol...thats cute guys, I bet your high fiving eachother right now at work
That's an inteligent statement!

Just because you don't see the value in the product you feel the need to discredit Works as a company and me for supporting them?

What exactly does that prove?

Please tell me!
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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They are different companies, but still see your point.

Works O2= Over-engineered unit, un-necessary unless using a PTE SCM large aftermarket Mitsu housing turbo. Big waste for the stock turbo however.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Big waste for the stock turbo however.
Possibly, but until Works post their dyno figures, which I am sure they will do when they have the information ready, and not at your liesure, your point is mute.

You can discredit them all you want, but without any actual evidence to back it up other than your dissatisfaction for the price point, you can't make a point.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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Ok, so I tend to overreact and get a little overzealous sometimes, and I'm sorry for that, everyone.

I just hate to see a company like Works receive such hell over something that they work very hard to try to accomplish.

(I have no affiliation with Works so there is no benefit to me to support them in this way!)

Please excuse my seeming brashness folks, but let's give credit where credit is due for the work that they put into development. If you don't agree with the price point, that's fine, but Works is no less of a company for setting their prices where they do.

Again, my appologies to everone for my overreaction!
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@Forge
You can discredit them all you want, but without any actual evidence to back it up other than your dissatisfaction for the price point, you can't make a point.

Point taken. I will save my comments until I see the numbers.

Mike, I have no problems with you nor you company. I jumped the gun with my comment directed at you.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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And I did the same!

Very sorry!

I tend to get a little too worked up sometimes, but I'm passionate about this stuff too, so it's hard to remain objective sometimes!
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike@Forge
Possibly, but until Works post their dyno figures, which I am sure they will do when they have the information ready, and not at your liesure, your point is mute.

You can discredit them all you want, but without any actual evidence to back it up other than your dissatisfaction for the price point, you can't make a point.
My point has a factual basis with dyno charts supporting 400+whp on the stock turbo and 11.84@115.51mph on the Megan O2 backed up with a documented slip. I would like to see other factual information provided on this Works unit to support the cost efficiency vs. whp/tq and 1/4 mile gains over both stock and other units in the market. If it can provide such information the cost may be justified. In this internet marketplace many jump on the newest, hottest part bandwagon without performance testing the parts.

I will stay tuned to new info on this unit supporting gains in whp, trap speed and any other relevent to performance area.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 11:54 AM
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You all have to admit $400+ dollars is an assload of money for a part that's basically not that bad to begin with stock. I would have a hard time paying half that but then I dont have money falling out my **** like many of the Evolutionm folks appear to have.

I think for us fruggle folks we say you got to fricken kidding me.....but for the people that are loaded $400 is next to nothing. They spend twice that attending a single track day.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 12:01 PM
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THE WORKS please note i am not selling my product in the US . the unit is a nice unit . my only reservation is the fact it is not a split system for turbine and wastegate , as many will know subarus tryed this type and revert back to a split type system.

stainless 321t is not a weak option if welded with 321 rods along with a gas purge .

people actually like the tubular system as it looks the dogs nuts



please talk to me via email guys please about some units


dave
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
I'm getting a Helix O2 housing this week and am wondering whether I would be asking for trouble to use it without putting a high temp coating on it. I assume that the stock lower heat shield won't fit with this O2 housing? I don't want to cook everything down there running an uncoated piece without a shield.

Are others running this piece without a shield or coating without problems over the long term (1 year+)?

Thanks.
I have been running the megan o2 housing without coating for almost a year, no problems at all, I only did a ceramic coating on the megan header and after a few weeks used thermotec, I didnt noticed a single difference in temperature with the coating, now I dont believe in that ceramic coating stuff. I prefer the thermotec or something similar and it was cheaper.

And that Works housing is ridicously expensive!
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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please guys the very weakness of the stock turbo system is back pressure via the turbo elbow . what ever housing you use up and above the stock units will be a great advantage . what you will see real time is a reduction in spool time and better peak hp retention .

trust me we have lots of motec data to back theses facts up . and i would actually say it should be 1 of the first mods as they have a great effect on overall performance .

dave
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 02:24 PM
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A 10.5 exhaust housing for the factory turbo is a cast piece and it costs half that much. It is larger and is more precisely machined than any O2 housing. Why does it cost so much less? Because they sold thousands of them. You guys at Works have already paid to have the molds made. Why not sell hundreds of them, or even thousands of them instead of just 50? You could sell one to ever member on evolutiom.net and make back all of your money plus some. Come on guys, $429 is ridiculous. Try $299 shipped and see how many people buy. Even $299 shipped is high but at least a little more realistic. Don’t make a one-off product that just a few people buy, make it a “must-have” that all EVO owners can purchase!
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kirk@WORKS
Many of our customers have experienced cracks & failure with inexpensive tubular style 02 housings. Coating tubular housings will increase flow by a minimal amount but not close to the efficiency of a thick cast housing similar to the stock unit.
-The best long term solution is a cast piece that retains all factory heat shields.
Our new WORKS 02 housing is a one piece cast 02 housing with factory tabs included to maintain factory heat shields.
-It fits perfectly in the stock position w/o any modifications.

check out the link:http://www.worksevo.com/store/produc...roducts_id=189
this is just tacky. this thread isn't about WORKS.
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Old Oct 13, 2005 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOeight
A 10.5 exhaust housing for the factory turbo is a cast piece and it costs half that much. It is larger and is more precisely machined than any O2 housing. Why does it cost so much less? Because they sold thousands of them. You guys at Works have already paid to have the molds made. Why not sell hundreds of them, or even thousands of them instead of just 50? You could sell one to ever member on evolutiom.net and make back all of your money plus some. Come on guys, $429 is ridiculous. Try $299 shipped and see how many people buy. Even $299 shipped is high but at least a little more realistic. Don’t make a one-off product that just a few people buy, make it a “must-have” that all EVO owners can purchase!
You missed the point.

They never said they were only makinga limited number of 50 units for that price. He said they already have 50 confirmed buyers at that price.

It's easy for Mitsubishi to commit the resources to produce thousands of units since they are installed on every single car, but the demand for this cast piece is much less so it takes time to develop the need for larger quantities.

Mitsubishi is also a much larger company with limitless in-house manufacturing capacity.

Your comparing a $100 Yamaha keyboard to a $10,000 grand piano.
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