Help me keep my car! Motor Help needed
Originally Posted by LIFER
Ok well my car has been acting up, so I towed it 250 miles to Buschur Racing. Well 3 day's later I get the bad new's "SPUN MAIN BEARING". Well I figured I was in for a alot of money but I never reliezed how much. Then Dan said he could repair it for $6,000 whitch would include Buschur rod's and piston's. I almost cried 
, I asked If it could be done cheaper, and he said he may be able to just use oem part's, but it would still cost $5,000. When I asked what was wrong with the car, he said the main bearing in cylinder one had spun. He did not dig deep enough to find any other issue's. Long story short, I don't have 5-$6000 to get my car running again, I am married and have a child on the way. How big of a job would rebuilding the block be? How cheap could it be done for? I have a Friend who said he would help me rebuild it, he has done it before on other 4g63's.
I am just wondering what you all would do In my position. I love may car, But I don't have 5-6k to spend on a rebuild.
**This thread should in no way be used to bad mouth Buschur Racing, I have had very good experiance's with them, and I have nothing but praise for them.
, I asked If it could be done cheaper, and he said he may be able to just use oem part's, but it would still cost $5,000. When I asked what was wrong with the car, he said the main bearing in cylinder one had spun. He did not dig deep enough to find any other issue's. Long story short, I don't have 5-$6000 to get my car running again, I am married and have a child on the way. How big of a job would rebuilding the block be? How cheap could it be done for? I have a Friend who said he would help me rebuild it, he has done it before on other 4g63's.I am just wondering what you all would do In my position. I love may car, But I don't have 5-6k to spend on a rebuild.
**This thread should in no way be used to bad mouth Buschur Racing, I have had very good experiance's with them, and I have nothing but praise for them.
In the end Daves work speaks for itself. I also feel like you are not giving us all the whole story. like maybe telling the Buschur crew that you wanted a stronger motor with forged internals.
Last edited by VTECH8TR; Dec 11, 2005 at 11:47 AM.
thats how my opion is based.. not knowing all the info, this is what im telling him.. that price could also reflect a 3076 on top of the motor work.. i dont know.. but to replace a bottom end with stock parts, that has no starvation, torn up walls, deck probs, thats to high... if this was me i would just buy a new bottom end.. cause again this could be from overheating, and he could have warped the block.. instead of decking it i would just replace the block.. or if there was blockage causing starvation, i would just replace the block also... but im not in that block, so i dont have all the info, neither does busher since this guy said he didnt dig in..so im done speculating... cause thats all we can really ever do cause we never get enough info from people asking questions..
Originally Posted by dafarmer69
thats how my opion is based.. not knowing all the info, this is what im telling him.. that price could also reflect a 3076 on top of the motor work.. i dont know.. but to replace a bottom end with stock parts, that has no starvation, torn up walls, deck probs, thats to high... if this was me i would just buy a new bottom end.. cause again this could be from overheating, and he could have warped the block.. instead of decking it i would just replace the block.. or if there was blockage causing starvation, i would just replace the block also... but im not in that block, so i dont have all the info, neither does busher since this guy said he didnt dig in..so im done speculating... cause thats all we can really ever do cause we never get enough info from people asking questions..
Originally Posted by BaLListic_EVO
these threads kill me.... i mean me personally im struggling to keep my stock car... i mean people put all kinda **** on their cars and just expect them not to break..... how about you start parting out your mods and quit begging for help.....
i mean your mods alone could probally easily fund a new engine
i mean your mods alone could probally easily fund a new engine
This reminds me a lot of PhillyEvo's thread begging for money when he blew up his engine and wanted to put in a stroker motor for $5,000
Since Buschur can do a full stroker instal for under $6,000 with all new components I am pretty sure they can do a new STOCK rotating assembly for less than that. The labor cost would be damn near identical and the crank price would be comperable since they use a stock 4g64 crank in their stroker kit, but you would save over a grand from using your stock rods and pistons putting you closer to $4000 than $6000 for the rebuild. This is all assuming the crank is destroyed of course. Even if the crank is destroyed you can tell them you are willing to use a good used crank rather than a new one and save some more money that way.... they have stock cranks all over from people who have done stroker kits.
They don't offer the "do it on the cheap" options unless you ask though, they sell top quality stuff and don't want anyone thinking they re-use old parts.... but they will do it on request of the customer, and they make it very clear that this is at your request only. I am sure you see their reasoning in only going with brand new parts on a day to day basis. A reputation for re-using parts on customer cars can destroy a shop.
Keith
Since Buschur can do a full stroker instal for under $6,000 with all new components I am pretty sure they can do a new STOCK rotating assembly for less than that. The labor cost would be damn near identical and the crank price would be comperable since they use a stock 4g64 crank in their stroker kit, but you would save over a grand from using your stock rods and pistons putting you closer to $4000 than $6000 for the rebuild. This is all assuming the crank is destroyed of course. Even if the crank is destroyed you can tell them you are willing to use a good used crank rather than a new one and save some more money that way.... they have stock cranks all over from people who have done stroker kits.
They don't offer the "do it on the cheap" options unless you ask though, they sell top quality stuff and don't want anyone thinking they re-use old parts.... but they will do it on request of the customer, and they make it very clear that this is at your request only. I am sure you see their reasoning in only going with brand new parts on a day to day basis. A reputation for re-using parts on customer cars can destroy a shop.
Keith
I personally am having my longblock built by David Buschur eventhough my car sits here in Atlanta. There's a reason why people chose to pay David the money required for him to build a race motor... his work speaks for itself and I'll have proof of that soon.
In the end, you gotta PAY TO PLAY... if you can't go buy a used stock block for cheap and drop it in.
In the end, you gotta PAY TO PLAY... if you can't go buy a used stock block for cheap and drop it in.
Off topic kind of. Should one change the bearings before one spins one? I have 53K miles on mine, and thinking of changing my bearings. Are there any stronger out there? or do you reccommend I change them while I am putting in the rod-bolts, and for those who know, is it a PITA to do? I wont do it, will have it done. Thanks for letting me semi-hijack. And sorry about your car! good luck.
More than likely if you got a spun bearing the only thing you may need is another crank.. normally a spun bearing wont scar the walls..I have seen tons of spun bearings on honda motors never 1 time have I seen one scar the walls...How long did you leave the motor on after the rod started to knock?..Just take into consideration the power that you are looking for. If you are looking for anything under 500hp then just stick to stock motor rebuild
PhillyEvo all over again IMO. I would buy a built block from Buschur or another premier shop, but in the end it's up to you. I like others have to add my .02 regarding you're priorities. You modified you're car and it broke and from the way it sounds you hardly had the money to mod it let alone fix it if something big broke. What were you thinking? I have 4 kids, a big mortgage, and a wife too and guess what? The EVO get's the scraps of the family budget not the first pickings!!
I would save, use credit cards(Uggh), take out a personal loan and buy a quality product. Screw the spending 4K ish on a used block and this could all happen again. Maybe even toy around with the idea of buying a 1K beater and wait 6 months or longer to save the funds needed to fix a EVO. Unless the wife is fed up and is saying "Get rid of the money pit" I would find a way to buy a built block and then hopefully you won't be down this road again.
REMEMBER..........FAMILY FIRST.............EVO a very distant second place!!
I would save, use credit cards(Uggh), take out a personal loan and buy a quality product. Screw the spending 4K ish on a used block and this could all happen again. Maybe even toy around with the idea of buying a 1K beater and wait 6 months or longer to save the funds needed to fix a EVO. Unless the wife is fed up and is saying "Get rid of the money pit" I would find a way to buy a built block and then hopefully you won't be down this road again.
REMEMBER..........FAMILY FIRST.............EVO a very distant second place!!
The guy doesnt need a built block unless he decides to gover 500 whp on a regular basis which I dont think his mods will accomplish. Doing it right has nothing to do with getting stronger internals, this wasnt his problem in the first place.
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
Off topic kind of. Should one change the bearings before one spins one? I have 53K miles on mine, and thinking of changing my bearings. Are there any stronger out there? or do you reccommend I change them while I am putting in the rod-bolts, and for those who know, is it a PITA to do? I wont do it, will have it done. Thanks for letting me semi-hijack. And sorry about your car! good luck.
Originally Posted by gofaster87
The guy doesnt need a built block unless he decides to gover 500 whp on a regular basis which I dont think his mods will accomplish. Doing it right has nothing to do with getting stronger internals, this wasnt his problem in the first place.