Im not to sure, but if the manifold for the EVO 8 or 7 fits.. you are going to have a DP fabricated. The turbo for the old 4g63 are facing the right side of the car and left side for the EVO 8 . If you can get that twin scroll manifold to fit then you should have no problems. I would bolt on a 20g and you should be good for 370-400whp with supporting mods. That would be more than 430bhp. That car weights nothing .... the power to weight ratio should be killer!!

1. manifold bolts on but,
2. a spacer is needed on the manifold to space the turbo far enough from the block. then you cant mount alternator or power steering pump. the alternator can be moved where a/c compressor usually lives. this has been done. cant believe anyone would do it again.
3. injectors fit fine.
4. PFC can be made to work if you are good with rewiring.
5.pump works no problem
6. cams will work but need to be clocked 1/4 turn
7. What do I win?

I've done it but as the above poster said, it's not worth the trouble. The water lines will also be a problem to feed the turbo if you intend to keep those.

You will need to modify the power steering bracket (I don't remember why I had to do this) Longer studs to accomidate the manifold spacer and now double gaskets, new oil line and return to the turbo, custom downpipe, compressor outlet pipe, and finally, a revised intake pipe as the intake is on the other end of the turbo.

The cams will work without clocking contrary to what was said above. The gains are only marginal though. This is commonly discussed on Lancer Register.

The fuel pump dimensions are identical as well as the injectors'

The power FC will not work as the ECU is completely different. I suppose that rewiring is possible as people have installed 2G ecu into Evo 8 but it's not worth the time in my opinion. There is one made for early Evos, at least I've seen them on Ebay for whatever that's worth.

I've watched a few seasons of Tarmac Rally at Donegal on video tape. It looks like a beautiful place.

Man if you are going to make corrections at least be correct. DSM cams and evo cams differ by the pins being clocked 90 degrees. And the 2g ecu in evo definately proves the FC will work. Just need to move some pins around in both instances.

Hi guy,

First of all thanks a mill for the comments, I was not expecting such good info in such short time.

4G63Rules - you win a pint of Guinness!!

The Apexi PFC, I didnt know they made them for the CD9A, in that case I shall look about one and sell the one for the CT9A. I have a buyer waiting.

Good news about injectors and the fuel pump
I have an Evo 8 SS manifold laying here so I'll try that on later in the week.
I've long since gotten rid of the AC pump so I could move the alternator there no problem.
What distance ( roughly ) does the manifold need to be spaced out, would a few gaskets be enough to do this or would I need to make a spacer?

It shouldn't be much hassle to make an oil feed and water pipes for the turbo. I'll probably use a Megan racing turbo outlet and DP for Evo 8, hopefully I can modify the DP a little to fit properly.

So both of you beleive that the cams arent worth the money/hassle? I'll ditch that idea then so.

One very important question, I can get my hands on a ported Evo3 turbo for good money. Would there be much difference in performance between putting on an Evo 8 turbo and putting on one of these ported Evo3 turbos? I'm talking overall BHP and Spool up and response. Would you recommend running with the Evo3 turbo, I am looking to reach around 400bhp at the flywheel.

It is possibly a lot of trouble but I can do all the work myself and I love my little Evo 1 so I think its worth the hassle!

Yes you are right Bimmubishi, Donegal is home to some of the best rallying in Ireland.. cant wait for the WRC to run here next year.

Thanks again for the info guys, keep it coming. I'll keep you all up to date with my progress which is due to start in about 1 weeks time.

As they told you on Lancer Register, they need to be swapped, not clocked as 4G63rules keeps telling you.

Alex

I own an evo1, evo8, and many dsm cars. I know as well as anyone what evo8 parts will work in an evo1 or dsm. For the last time the cams do need to be clocked. Would you like a picture? If you use fidanza cam gears it makes the swap easy. It is drilled for both setups.

jlptheman, use the evo3 turbo. almost as capable as evo8 turbo. local made 411whp/430tq with one. backed up at track with 11.4 at 120mph in a galant.

The EVO III turbo is a big 16G design, with proven power making potential, and it is a hell of a lot easier to use in and EVO I than the turbo from an EVO VIII would be.

Keith

Ha,

It looks like we may have a bare knuckle fight on our hands here between 4G63Rules and Bimmubishi!! I was put off the idea when Bimmubishi said that "The gains are only marginal though" so unless I find a really really cheap set of cams then I doubt I'll bother.

Given that it appears 400 BHP is possible on the Evo3 turbo then I think I will go with that, only thing is that it may take some time for the Evo3 turbo to reach 1.5 bar. My little Evo1 turbo seems to take an age to get to 1.2 bar. Maybe its a notion to me though! So the Evo3 turbo it is.

Next thing is, I wonder will the Evo3 turbo mate to the Evo8 SS manifold? I'll find out soon enough I suppose!

Another thing, would you recommend upgrading the intercooler or sticking with the standard intercooler. I found that upgrading to an XS intercooler on my Evo 7 ( running at 1.5bar) left the engine feeling a bit unresponsive. I'm not sure there was any gains at all as this intercooler may have been too big for the standard 7 turbo. The Evo1 intercooler is a lot smaller though and perhaps a std Evo7 intercooler would be ideal.. any thoughts?

John

4g63 rules, I can't imagine what it's like to have an early evolution here in the states so I'll tone it down for you..

JP, just check lancer register. Clocking cams "1/4 turn" is not recommended or even possible unless you have either cam gears with two drillings for the dowel pin as you said or a machine shop that's willing to bore a hole on center 91.25 degrees from the factory hole (which I've never heard of). Should it work, which it might, the duration isn't significantly longer than that of the Evo I so you'll be left with mediocre results. The guys who have done it on Lancer Register simply swap the cams. I am aware that the dual drilling situation on Fidanza cam gears is for 2g and Evolution camshafts.

I recommend sticking with an EIII turbo. It's better than the one on your and my car and should net you results, if ported close to that of the older 20g.

Alex

Actually its very easy to use evo8 cams in early 4g63. You simply remark the dsm cam gear 12 teeth from original mark. Since the cam gear has 48 teeth. 12 teeth is exactly 90 degrees on a clock. I think there would be unnoticable gains using stock evo8 cams in early car. But this info becomes important when someone wants to use a aftermarket grind like revolver cams made for evo8.

Hey 4G63Rules, thats a tastey lookin Evo. Looks like you were pulling a wheelie in that second pic!

Thanks once more for the info guys, I'll keep you both updated.

I think you have sold the Evo3 turbo to me and unsold the Evo 8 cams! Who knows, maybe down the line I might think about aftermarket 8 cams.

Got this from a guy that sells Apexi ECUs:

The Power FC for EVO 7 the ECU is not the same for EVO 3 , however the EVO5 Power FC can work EVO 3 but u need different adaptor. The adaptor is USD$200 shipped ..

Why don't you just get a EVO 1 Power FC??