best fmic?
EvobeatsSTI,
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
The concept behind replacing the stock IC for an aftermarket while retaining the same price is a good idea. What you need to watch out is for intercoolers that are too big for the stock turbo unit.
At one point I had the Nisei intercooler measuring an astonishing 25x13x3.5 and retaining the crash beam, if I am not mistaking it was and still is the largest core around.
Little time it last on my car before I got rid of it, my spool up was the worst spool up I can describe, the max boost dropped a few psi to make matters worst I never improved my times at the track nor my whp/tq on the dyno.
I removed the Nisei intercooler and my car gained a lot on spool up time, also I recall my boost spiking to 31psi.
If you are planning on buying a bigger turbo, then I would say yes otherwise the stock intercooler is more than plenty.
my .2c
Carlos
There are different IC's for different applications, you just need to find one that fits your needs.
AMS works for me.
yep...a lot comes into consideration when buying an intercooler!!!
--style(inlet and outlet of the cores/tube and fin or bar and plate)
--size(wrxtoevo pretty much sums it up...bigger intercooler doesnt mean more power)
--application(what needs to be cooled/size of turbo...bolt on or minor adjustments)
--cost(best way i have found is comparing the 3 first questions)
answer these brief questions and an intercooler should be found in no problem!!!
--if your going 50trim or boosting with the 20glt then get a core that is at least 3-4inch and something that has a big surface area!!!
--i have just about every name brand mentioned and quality is different from brand to brand but heck for the price i paid and the performance i've gained is unbeatable...basically the part that i have does its job just fine!!! and that even means the stock intercooler!!!
--style(inlet and outlet of the cores/tube and fin or bar and plate)
--size(wrxtoevo pretty much sums it up...bigger intercooler doesnt mean more power)
--application(what needs to be cooled/size of turbo...bolt on or minor adjustments)
--cost(best way i have found is comparing the 3 first questions)
answer these brief questions and an intercooler should be found in no problem!!!
--if your going 50trim or boosting with the 20glt then get a core that is at least 3-4inch and something that has a big surface area!!!
--i have just about every name brand mentioned and quality is different from brand to brand but heck for the price i paid and the performance i've gained is unbeatable...basically the part that i have does its job just fine!!! and that even means the stock intercooler!!!
Anthony
Number #7 to number 10 nozzle
Added Hyper sun ignition
Addded DCsport headers
Added Works 02 housing
Added Nisei Intercooler
Switched from alcohol to methanol
C'mon man...
Carlos
Having the turbo running at 28psi plus with all the mods I figured that the stock intercooler was perhaps a bit short. In my opinion my stock intercooler was never the problem, the problem was that the NISEI core was perhaps about 2.5 times bigger and having to fill up soo much space it was a difficult task for the turbo.
I do agree, I heard and I don't doubt that many of you guys tried the AMS and Buschur IC with great results, in fact I believe both AMS and Buschur IC offers a better design and flow over the stock IC.
The issue I see with the Nisei is its size, just too big for a stocker turbo. Please don't get this twisted, I want to bet money that perhaps a Nisei IC with a largher turbo is perhaps the way to go.
My reports comes from xxxxx dynos, xxx track passes, and a few tunes. As much as I want to say that the Nisei IC is the biggest and perhaps one of the best looking IC in the market the fact is that it did not improve the performance of my car.
I would however highly recommend it for someone that is using a bigger turbo unit and I also give good credit to Nisei vendor and manufacturers which were very helpful.
Carlos
Last edited by fromWRXtoEVO; Dec 17, 2006 at 09:09 PM.
If youre keeping the stock turbo, Id get an upgraded intercooler that is on the smaller size. I have the BR Deluxe FMIC (comes with short route LICP too). Its PERFECT. It cools better, flows better, fits great and looks great. Its also pretty inexpensive when you factor in it comes with a LICP that is shorter than any other you can buy.
I would of course do all other mods before IC but since you wrecked yours (same as I did), I went with upgraded one. Smart choice. If youre strapped, could always buy another stocker though
I would of course do all other mods before IC but since you wrecked yours (same as I did), I went with upgraded one. Smart choice. If youre strapped, could always buy another stocker though
For the most part only the largest race core intercoolers need the extra room, and even some of those will fit without modification. It would be much easier to list the ones that DO need the additional space.
did you read what I wrote? RACE CORES need modification. AMS and Buschur's standard core's fit fine. Most intercoolers, except the largest race cores will fit fine. Even if you need to trim the undertray, what's the big deal?why do I feel like I'm repeating myself.....
Last edited by Frenchy4g63; Dec 19, 2006 at 01:15 AM.
Did YOU read what i wrote? i said i am looking for an intercooler that does not need any type of modification to the undertray. I never said i need a race core.
Even with the normal AMS core, you still need to modify the undertray, i know this because i just spoke with AMS yesterday. need to cut 2" off the undertray.
So, if you dont know of an upgraded intercooler that fits without any type of modification, then stop answering..
Even with the normal AMS core, you still need to modify the undertray, i know this because i just spoke with AMS yesterday. need to cut 2" off the undertray.
So, if you dont know of an upgraded intercooler that fits without any type of modification, then stop answering..
peakboost's intrecooler is 24"x12"x3.5", says its good for stock turbo all the way to gt42r...good to 850whp and retains factory pipe positions and being able to keep the factory crash beam bar completely intact. Sounds good to me and Im suprised nobody mentioned this one yet.
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thanks for all of the advice guys, looks like i am going to go with the ams standard core though it just looks soo amazing and the nisei is too expensive. thanks for all of the advice



