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Old May 27, 2003 | 10:59 PM
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greddy e manage or 3 buschur turbo back exhaust

not sure which to go with for now
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Old May 27, 2003 | 11:27 PM
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I'd say a turbo-back would be a good first mod (assuming this is your first mod) and pretty much hassle free. Though I'm awaiting peoples opinions on the Emanage as well to see if/how it stacks up to the Xede which is the management system I'm planning on getting thus far.
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Old May 28, 2003 | 12:35 AM
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Re: greddy e manage or 3 buschur turbo back exhaust

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not sure which to go with for now
I'd go with the e-manage. You can tune that puppy to give you lots more power than a exhaust alone will do. Also, if you decide to get an exhaust later (or any number of other mods), you can then tune the car further to get the most off your exhaust (or whatever). I also think it would be really neat to have a totally stock looking EVO with a stealth installation of e-manage and EBC. It would really rock and nobody would be the wiser
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Old May 28, 2003 | 01:03 AM
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In terms of hanging onto warranty. Wouldn't the catback exhaust be the better choice ? But it all depends on how you view the warranty, how fsr you want ot go with the mods I suppose.
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Old May 28, 2003 | 01:49 AM
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I would get the exhaust.

If you get a good exhaust, chances are you'll hold onto it for a long time, vs. engine control electronics which you may want to replace as soon as better electronics become available, e.g. electronics that have finer-resolution control, are EVO-tailored, or are otherwise better suited to your particular vehicle and mods. An e-Manage just seems like more of an "outgrowable" part.

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Old May 28, 2003 | 07:45 AM
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what xede engine management do they have a website?
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Old May 28, 2003 | 08:01 AM
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If I had to choose I would say go with engine management. The Evo really lacks oomph up top and being able to alter the fuel/timing to improve the a/f ratio will make a dramatic difference. Plus, if you get an exhaust later you can re-tune for that as well.

If you want the Greddy e-manage, make sure you are willing to spend money on dyno tuning and either know someone or can do that yourself. You could also look into the XEDE, which comes with downloadable maps and is a little easier to install. You can learn more about XEDE here:
http://www.vishnutuning.com/xede.htm

Alfriedesq seems to have the most experience w/ e-manage, so you could pm him to ask about that.

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Old May 28, 2003 | 09:34 AM
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I will go for JIC Magic Titanium cat back exhaust
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Old May 28, 2003 | 09:57 AM
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I say go with a proven 3" turbo-back.
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Old May 28, 2003 | 02:09 PM
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hey boostmike that k&N filter, is it a flat panel or actual intake....
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Old May 28, 2003 | 02:20 PM
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get the exhaust...
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Old May 28, 2003 | 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by TRDHarrier
I will go for JIC Magic Titanium cat back exhaust
While that's a neat and fancy part, it certainly will not yield anywhere near the power per buck that the e-manage or similar setup will give you.
IMHO, an exhaust is not as wise an investment as a fuel & timing control. The exhaust will give you some power gains but will not be optimal without further tuning. For more tuning you need the e-manage or similar device.

BTW, there is virtually no difference between exhaust systems of the same category as long as they are the same size. In other words a 3" cat-back with a straight through muffler and a resonator is going to give almost identical power gains than another one with the same characteristics, Biggest difference will be the price, fit and overall quality of manufacture. Same would hold true for a turbo-back system, one is as good as another for producing power as long as they are similar in size and construction.

Another thing to consider is the cost. By the time you buy and install a turbo back system (unless you do it yourself) you'll have spent more money than what the e-manage or SAFC will cost you even after a dyno tuning session, and you'll only get a fraction of the power increase that the piggy-backs can give you. BTW, the XEDE ands the SAFC can be obtained with preprogrammed maps for various states of tune of your EVO so you don't even need to dyno tune them....

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Old May 28, 2003 | 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by silverEVO8

BTW, the XEDE ands the SAFC can be obtained with preprogrammed maps for various states of tune of your EVO so you don't even need to dyno tune them....
I've seen someones preset afc settings on a dyno and the a/f needed adjusting badly. There was another 15 hp to be had and he still would have had an a/f ratio below 11.5.1. Every car is different and will need to be tuned to achieve max hp.
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Old May 28, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Stinkapuss


I've seen someones preset afc settings on a dyno and the a/f needed adjusting badly. There was another 15 hp to be had and he still would have had an a/f ratio below 11.5.1. Every car is different and will need to be tuned to achieve max hp.
I'm not sure which presets you've seen. I also do not know how well those presets work.... I guess I'm believing the recomendations of folks such as Vishnu performance and Buschur Racing. They claim to have pre-determined maps or adjustments that will work well and safely with all the cars on the road
I'm sure that specific tuning for each car is the best way to go, but after all, all the cars come with the same maps from the factory, right? If so, how bad can the pre-set values, adjustments or maps that the vendors are selling can be?
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Old May 28, 2003 | 11:16 PM
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u gotta get both. if u dont plan on further upgrades, then you should just get the emanage + tuning. look to spend ~700 for everything tuned and installed. loook to spend from 400+ on an exhaust. they both go extremely well together. both are basics necessities of a turbo car, especially the evo
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