Great post!

One other benefit:
Leaded gas causes cancer. And the phase-out of leaded gas has actually worked.
"Study shows that US blood-lead levels declined by 78 percent from 1978 to 1991."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000320/timeline

 

I have been looking into this, I am going to be doing some testing very soon.
Completely stock (-minus fuel upgrades) evo9 running e85
Vs TBE evo 9 running e85..
I'm documenting everything at www.e85evo.com to help pioneer this "special American made gas." I plan to document daily driving cost also, vs 93 (10 percent ethanol ). Im hoping e85 does turn out to be cheaper.

Current cost $1.73 e85 vs $2.30 93 gasoline

I'm hoping for 360-400whp with the stock turbo..

Houston, Tx currently has 3 pumps, two are 15 miles from me, and the other is 4 miles...

4 miles isnt to "out of the way" for me next time i need to fill up.

 

e85 is good stuff...

 

I hate to bust anyones bolls, but I just bought a 54 gal barrel of C16 for 8.00/gal. Don't get excited David, it's backup for you know what. Also, I've decided that PANDA-monium is going to go green with you as soon as we get the E85 again. 2 stations shut down, but more coming.

 

Well I can get it here in San Diego, but it costs about $.75 more than 91 oct does. There is only one place to get it around here so it is not really feasible for me to do it yet.

Glad to see Buschur doing something for the environment. We get all kinds of bad reps for our cars now maybe we can get some good publicity.

 

This is somewhat debatable depending upon who you ask, whos propoganda you believe, and what studies you pay attention to. Early studies showed what you suggest to be true, but others have negated that finding. In any event, new refinement techniques and plants such as switchgrass are proving to be many times more efficient at making E85 than items such as corn.

 

all you e85 guys are making the price of the tortilla skyrocket. i am very interested in this. please keep us updated..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/...tortilla_march

 

i hear you, as with any newer technology, the price of making it (energy costs as well as monetary costs) will eventually fall. theres only really two sources of good info on E85, the governments (for E85) and those against it. me, personally, i dont think its terribly worth the trouble of converting to it, its energy content is far lower than gasoline, and that is the main reason it is less prone to knock. once we figure out a way to not waste petroluem just making the alternative, then i will be a believer in it, but as for now i dont see E85 going too big.

 

So all you have to do is have a tune for e85.

 

This is incredibly interesting. I have one gas station with E-85 nearby during college months and at home I have four others very close by. I have been following the threads lately and the idea of 104 octane power with less emissions almost sounds too good to be true.

 

where did you read this? I'd like to see a source.

 

Good job Dave! I think just the performance capabilities of E85 is enough to run it all the time. Then add in the enviromental aspect of it and it's even more appealing.

I am still waiting to see how it compares to C16, I've heard it's close, I've heard C16 will still make quite a bit more. I even PM'd you about it a while back and didn't get a diffinitive answer. So I'm going to follow this closely and see how it turns out. Isn't E85 around 105-106 effective octane? I don't think it's going to be as good as C16, but at 1/5th-1/7th the price it's still worth looking into. Plus there's additional cooling properties to take into account too though. I dont know, I'm drunk and rambling here...

Anyway, I know your kinda sick of EvoM at the moment, but please update this thread.

 

Dave... My family has 2,200 acers here in rural kentucky... about a good 7-900 that I could grow corn on. I talked to my grandpa about getting into this. He seemed to think the US was still doing the corn base and we couldn't raise near enough to sell.


are they going to lift the national corn base for farmers that regulates how many acres of corn they can raise to make this fuel go national. Or they going to keep it and drive E85 costs up also.

 

Thank you War. I was actually all excited to see his results from using the E85 gas, and was heavily let down when I did a search only to find out the nearest pump was over an hour's drive away. Maybe someone just didn't read between the lines on what I was saying.

I would love to have something like that (E85) available to me...

 

The problem I'm seeing with E85, is that to truly max this fuel out (in most cases) you need to run 4 x 1600 injectors if not more.

Obviously that poses some driveability problems when running 1600's as your main injectors, although the driveability problems I've heard aren't as apparent as they are when running gasoline.

The best compromise would be a 1000-1200cc injector, to behave very well via daily driveability, and still be able to put down some decent power on E85. The problem here is there is usually power left on the table, but your injectors are limiting you. This would be a great all around street setup.

So what's the next step?

4 x 1000cc injectors. Maybe a 1600 in the charge pipe? That would give you great cooling, and enough extra power capacity to run some decent boost on E85, but I still don't think you'd be nearing C16 numbers. Not to mention complicating things quite a bit, although not a huge deal for anyone serious.

Now the proper setup, would be dual rails, with 4 x 1000's and 4 x 1600's, and hell, maybe a 1600 or two in the charge pipe for great cooling. But now you have to look at the total investment, and whether it's worth it. That extra $600 (LOW figure) to run that extra fuel rail could be used to buy a 55gallon drum of c16.

If you weren't trying to max the fuel or the turbo (given a Gt35r, or larger), maybe the "best" setup would just be 1000cc main injectors, and still run c16 at the track.

Then you have to think about how E85 can vary and that could dramatically alter your state of "tune" on the car.

David, what are your thoughts on what I mentioned above?