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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tuning g
well if the Factory sent it @ 7600 why would you think it's unsafe or that it would shorten the life of the engine and then give you a 100,000 mile engine warranty
Because factory rev limits are not meant to be hit often, if at all. If we all daily drove our Evos past 7K every shift, we'd be done after 10K mi

Originally Posted by 4TUN8
Running your car like that is more unsafe then taking a properly tuned car to redline I can garauntee you that. Don't be silly, your rev limiter from the factory is 7600, do you really think they'd let you blow it up from the factory?

If you really wanted the car to be reliable and safe you should have left it stock, and if you go to the dealership with those mods installed for some warranty work, they're going to laugh at you and tell you your warranty is voided.
The tune is coming as soon as my fuel pump arrives. Read my above comment regarding factory rev limit. And I'm not dumb enough to stroll into Mitsu with all my mods installed and demand warranty work.

People seem to think that install mod = warranty void... sorry, but mod failure = warranty void. If the mod is installed, it can be uninstalled and the car is still in warranty (unless the mod causes the failure) So I see absolutely no shame in installing mods, then uninstalling if engine failure not related to the mods occurs.

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my car is back to stock in less that a hour I am a mechanic
Basically, that's true for my setup.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 08:55 AM
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My original question still stands...

Can there possibly be any downside to lowering rev limit to 7300 (presuming I don't plan on revving that high, and to rev that high would be a mistake or oversight on my part).

Thanks again for the feedback
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 09:02 AM
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My original question still stands...

Can there possibly be any downside to lowering rev limit to 7300 (presuming I don't plan on revving that high, and to rev that high would be a mistake or oversight on my part).

Thanks again for the feedback
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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I never dyno'd my car with stock cams, so I can't agree/disagree on that basis. But all the dyno sheets I have (with cams, some with a TME turbo, and others with a 50 trim) tell me to shift above stock redline for maximum acceleration through the gears.

Originally Posted by Planet Evo
You are correct its not just about HP and torque, Its about Torque and volumetric efficiency. The gearing plays a small role as we have been dealt our hand already with the stock evo gear box. (This of course does not mean that gear ratio does not play a role, its just that most of the time people will have more torque building upgrades on their evo rather than internal transmission changes)
With that being said and our gear ratio is a controlled variable, Engine Torque will accelerate the vehicle. Staying in a numerically lower gear seams to "use up" that torque quicker. On average a stock turbo'd evo will loose steam fast as you move up in rpms. Its evident. As you increase rpm and hold throttle position constant, the car gets slower! Of course past the point of peak and good torque multiplication.

Anyway, do we agree that 7300 rpm is a good rpm to keep as a redline?
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Planet Evo
lol the factory rev limit is not there for people to bounce off of it.
They put it there for those who miss shift or go into a wrong gear etc... many reasons, NOT performance related what so ever.
It can be dangerous to spread inaccurate information such as this. Someone that does not know any better may read this and think that their car is protected from mechanical over-rev by the factory rev limiter.

To the OP, the upside of lowering your rev limiter is that you will be reducing stresses due to high RPM on your motor. The downside is that it is more likely that you may hit the rev limiter which can be hard on the motor. Ultimately, you control when you shift, so you could shift at 6000 RPM all the time and raise your rev limit to 9000 RPM without any problem. I would leave it at 7600 RPM if I were you, as I'd rather accidentally run up to 7400 RPM than run into the rev limiter at 7200.

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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 10:31 AM
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I guess I really just don't understand this question. If you don't want to rev it past 7300 rpm just shift before that. There is no reason to lower the rev limiter from stock unless, you are one of those people that has to bounce it off the chip to know when to shift. If that's the case get a shift light.

Besides if your worried about your engine longevity or your warranty just don't mod the car or abuse it.
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PVD04
I would leave it at 7600 RPM if I were you, as I'd rather accidentally run up to 7400 RPM than run into the rev limiter at 7200.

-Paul
I find that interesting... that is exactly the type of response I'm looking for...

I realize that if I'm concerned about engine health & warranty that I could just NOT rev it that high... but we all own Evo's here... you didn't buy it to shift at 5K RPM every time... there will be times I want to rev to redline, and those times, I just want to limit the possibility of overrevving the engine. That's all!
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Old Mar 4, 2007 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Planet Evo
You are correct its not just about HP and torque, Its about Torque and volumetric efficiency. . . . Engine Torque will accelerate the vehicle.
In a fundamental way, yes, but this statement is potentially confusing in itself. If we configured shift points around the torque peak, we'd be going slower. The optimum shift points for any gear change is that which allows best average hp (not torque) for the duration of the preceding gear.
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