Anyone running a Buschur Racing 20G-9LT Turbo on a 2.3
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you would be right about the costs if he lived in the US. As he and I live on the other side of the pond, shipping costs a bunch and sending turbos and manifolds for exchange/porting is not feasible.
To clarify myself further:
- From our limited testing, the 20glt gives around 20HP over 9 turbo on pump gas. The most we got out of a 9 turbo was 437bhp and 20GLT 450+HP. This also seems to be the case in the UK (will have more info as more cars get done) Again, from my experience looking at the shop cars here, stroked evos do not make more HP than 2.0 cars - just more torque / earlier. EDITED: we tested the 20glt on 2.0. All stroked cars run standalone w/t gt30 or bigger here
Fact: people in Europe do not usually use methanol injection as a power adder like you guys do in the US. I know of only a few evos that use methanol as a power adder (rather than safety) in Turkey. All the said cars run big turbos (600+bhp) with very expensive engine management systems (motec gold) with bunch of maps for safety in case things go wrong. Of course you can do it cheaper, but you might blow your motor one day... Assuming he does not use race gas and methanol (like 99% of lads in the UK) his max HP with the 20GLT will be around 450BHP with boltons including manifold.
Prices: For someone living in the UK, 20GLT will cost 1700$+shipping (close to 2k). No one I know would go through the trouble to have their car down and ship a turbo to US and than back to UK not knowing the downtime / turnaround time to save money... Again, to get the said 450+bhp on pump, he will need a good manifold like full race (1k in UK). At the end of the day, the difference between 20GLT (2k - 3k depending on manifold) and a kit like Bushur 30-35 (probably around 4k at your door in UK) or AMS (he already has it) is not considerable in the bigger scheme of things. One will give you 450+BHP (20 more than stock 9 turbo), the other 550+BHP (120BHP more than stock 9 turbo). In the bigger scheme of things like dishing out for a standalone (1-3k), clutch (1-3k), injectors (0.4k), cost of the 2.3 kit with install (3-4k), etc... the price difference between the two (2-3k) for the additional 100bhp is not that much
If I were to spent over 10k building a stroker, I would rather spent another 2-3k and do it right the first time.
I am not saying this is right, it is just my humble opinion and recommendation.
BTW, if he definitely wants to use the 20GLT, I suggest keeping the stock motor and just getting the turbo with a good manifold (3k). Sell all the expensive stuff to save some real money (AMS Intake Mani, turbo kit, stroker, etc, etc...)
What ever the decision, good luck with the car and moving the house
To clarify myself further:
- From our limited testing, the 20glt gives around 20HP over 9 turbo on pump gas. The most we got out of a 9 turbo was 437bhp and 20GLT 450+HP. This also seems to be the case in the UK (will have more info as more cars get done) Again, from my experience looking at the shop cars here, stroked evos do not make more HP than 2.0 cars - just more torque / earlier. EDITED: we tested the 20glt on 2.0. All stroked cars run standalone w/t gt30 or bigger here
Fact: people in Europe do not usually use methanol injection as a power adder like you guys do in the US. I know of only a few evos that use methanol as a power adder (rather than safety) in Turkey. All the said cars run big turbos (600+bhp) with very expensive engine management systems (motec gold) with bunch of maps for safety in case things go wrong. Of course you can do it cheaper, but you might blow your motor one day... Assuming he does not use race gas and methanol (like 99% of lads in the UK) his max HP with the 20GLT will be around 450BHP with boltons including manifold.
Prices: For someone living in the UK, 20GLT will cost 1700$+shipping (close to 2k). No one I know would go through the trouble to have their car down and ship a turbo to US and than back to UK not knowing the downtime / turnaround time to save money... Again, to get the said 450+bhp on pump, he will need a good manifold like full race (1k in UK). At the end of the day, the difference between 20GLT (2k - 3k depending on manifold) and a kit like Bushur 30-35 (probably around 4k at your door in UK) or AMS (he already has it) is not considerable in the bigger scheme of things. One will give you 450+BHP (20 more than stock 9 turbo), the other 550+BHP (120BHP more than stock 9 turbo). In the bigger scheme of things like dishing out for a standalone (1-3k), clutch (1-3k), injectors (0.4k), cost of the 2.3 kit with install (3-4k), etc... the price difference between the two (2-3k) for the additional 100bhp is not that much
If I were to spent over 10k building a stroker, I would rather spent another 2-3k and do it right the first time.
I am not saying this is right, it is just my humble opinion and recommendation.
BTW, if he definitely wants to use the 20GLT, I suggest keeping the stock motor and just getting the turbo with a good manifold (3k). Sell all the expensive stuff to save some real money (AMS Intake Mani, turbo kit, stroker, etc, etc...)
What ever the decision, good luck with the car and moving the house
Bosshog, I still don't understand where you are coming from...First off, you can get a ported EvoGreen for $900.00. You don't need a $1000.00 Full Race Manifold when you can get a Buschur Ported and Coated Manifold which makes just a little less hp than the Full Race Mani. Right there I just shaved $1600 off your cost estimate. A 650-700whp AMS kit cost $4,700. Does the OP want or need that much unusable street hp?
He said he has that kit but plans on selling it because of cost. Pertaining to Injectors and a clutch you are going to need them anyway for either set up, so that is a moot point. As was stated earlier some people don't like lag and like the factory spool up. I am one of those people. Anyway, If you are using cost as an argument between the 2 "kits" The EvoGreen just won IMHO. 
And pertaining to your comment that: "we have tested the 20GLT to make 450bhp on pump gas" What was that on, a 2.0L Block? How much whp did you get when you tested it on a 2.3L Block? Just curious...
He said he has that kit but plans on selling it because of cost. Pertaining to Injectors and a clutch you are going to need them anyway for either set up, so that is a moot point. As was stated earlier some people don't like lag and like the factory spool up. I am one of those people. Anyway, If you are using cost as an argument between the 2 "kits" The EvoGreen just won IMHO. And pertaining to your comment that: "we have tested the 20GLT to make 450bhp on pump gas" What was that on, a 2.0L Block? How much whp did you get when you tested it on a 2.3L Block? Just curious...
Last edited by Bosshog; Mar 13, 2007 at 12:34 PM. Reason: more info on 20glt
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wrote too much for nothing 
you still gonna stroke the car?
you still gonna stroke the car? Guys I had a gt35 at home ready to go on but i sold it due to moving house and needing money. I will proably never buy one again biggest i will go is a gt30 if at all. I was just what would be my best option. BTW I have a exedy twin plate clutch on my car and I am running autronics ecu.
Ah I dont know mate. See the way I am thinking is what if I go 2ltr and then want to fit a bigger turbo down the line it will then work out more exspensive however if I already have the stroker done there wont.
450 base horse power is all you could extract? either the parts on those cars were crap or you guys couldn't tune for shi*. so which is it?
DB and CB were running 125+ traps which is well over 450 base horse power. more like 450-480 wheel horse power.
DB and CB were running 125+ traps which is well over 450 base horse power. more like 450-480 wheel horse power.
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I guess we cant tune for **** 
125 trap is what a stock Z06 gets (500bhp). I am sure in a lightened car like DB or CB with race gas you could trap 125. With 450bhp, you should easily trap 120+mph - I dont see how that is soo bad on a smaller turbo on pump gas with no methanol. I am sure with a lighter car, standalone engine management, race gas etc you can gain 50 bhp (5mph). Can you please elaborate why 450bhp is soo bad on pump?
I think the figures I quote seem low to you guys, but the cars are fast - believe me
125 trap is what a stock Z06 gets (500bhp). I am sure in a lightened car like DB or CB with race gas you could trap 125. With 450bhp, you should easily trap 120+mph - I dont see how that is soo bad on a smaller turbo on pump gas with no methanol. I am sure with a lighter car, standalone engine management, race gas etc you can gain 50 bhp (5mph). Can you please elaborate why 450bhp is soo bad on pump?I think the figures I quote seem low to you guys, but the cars are fast - believe me
a local guy had the BR 2.3 w/ a 20g-9 and meth....torque monster is all I have to say. Never rode in his car w/ that setup but the #'s and dyno sheet looked great...his #'s were 359whp & 408 torque and here's his dyno sheet:
he later dynoed 366whp & 412ft-lbs of torque, both dyno numbers on Buschur Racing's Mustang Dyno.
he later dynoed 366whp & 412ft-lbs of torque, both dyno numbers on Buschur Racing's Mustang Dyno.
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hey guys, just saw this post. this is my graph from last year. the car was a torque monster with instant response. i would take anything off the line, but just lost the power up top, the engine was a built 2.3 from BR with all the bells and whistles. i had the revolver cams when the regular 20g was on the vehicle. after dave tester a couple 50trims with no luck, i had him throw on the 20gLT. he had already swapped the cams for a larger custom gring cam, so the 20gLT just couldn't flow enough air. i think the best setup for this would have been 20gLT 280 or smaller cams on the 2.3, but i didn't feel like changing cams again, so i went with the 3065r.
FunnyClub, you have to ask yourself first, what are your goals? hp goals? and how will you use the car? will it be your daily driver? will you see any track days? consider those things first.
as for myself i will be running a 2.3l + FPGreen + Meth injection + 272 i/e cams. my car will be daily driven, but more than anything i'm building an autox cone killer. eventually i'll step up to a GT30r or even a GT35r once its no longer my daily driver.
btw, high fu*king 5 for putting your family first! its the right thing to do!
as for myself i will be running a 2.3l + FPGreen + Meth injection + 272 i/e cams. my car will be daily driven, but more than anything i'm building an autox cone killer. eventually i'll step up to a GT30r or even a GT35r once its no longer my daily driver.
btw, high fu*king 5 for putting your family first! its the right thing to do!
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you would be right about the costs if he lived in the US. As he and I live on the other side of the pond, shipping costs a bunch and sending turbos and manifolds for exchange/porting is not feasible.
To clarify myself further:
- From our limited testing, the 20glt gives around 20HP over 9 turbo on pump gas. The most we got out of a 9 turbo was 437bhp and 20GLT 450+HP. This also seems to be the case in the UK (will have more info as more cars get done) Again, from my experience looking at the shop cars here, stroked evos do not make more HP than 2.0 cars - just more torque / earlier. EDITED: we tested the 20glt on 2.0. All stroked cars run standalone w/t gt30 or bigger here
Fact: people in Europe do not usually use methanol injection as a power adder like you guys do in the US. I know of only a few evos that use methanol as a power adder (rather than safety) in Turkey. All the said cars run big turbos (600+bhp) with very expensive engine management systems (motec gold) with bunch of maps for safety in case things go wrong. Of course you can do it cheaper, but you might blow your motor one day... Assuming he does not use race gas and methanol (like 99% of lads in the UK) his max HP with the 20GLT will be around 450BHP with boltons including manifold.
Prices: For someone living in the UK, 20GLT will cost 1700$+shipping (close to 2k). No one I know would go through the trouble to have their car down and ship a turbo to US and than back to UK not knowing the downtime / turnaround time to save money... Again, to get the said 450+bhp on pump, he will need a good manifold like full race (1k in UK). At the end of the day, the difference between 20GLT (2k - 3k depending on manifold) and a kit like Bushur 30-35 (probably around 4k at your door in UK) or AMS (he already has it) is not considerable in the bigger scheme of things. One will give you 450+BHP (20 more than stock 9 turbo), the other 550+BHP (120BHP more than stock 9 turbo). In the bigger scheme of things like dishing out for a standalone (1-3k), clutch (1-3k), injectors (0.4k), cost of the 2.3 kit with install (3-4k), etc... the price difference between the two (2-3k) for the additional 100bhp is not that much
If I were to spent over 10k building a stroker, I would rather spent another 2-3k and do it right the first time.
I am not saying this is right, it is just my humble opinion and recommendation.
BTW, if he definitely wants to use the 20GLT, I suggest keeping the stock motor and just getting the turbo with a good manifold (3k). Sell all the expensive stuff to save some real money (AMS Intake Mani, turbo kit, stroker, etc, etc...)
What ever the decision, good luck with the car and moving the house
To clarify myself further:
- From our limited testing, the 20glt gives around 20HP over 9 turbo on pump gas. The most we got out of a 9 turbo was 437bhp and 20GLT 450+HP. This also seems to be the case in the UK (will have more info as more cars get done) Again, from my experience looking at the shop cars here, stroked evos do not make more HP than 2.0 cars - just more torque / earlier. EDITED: we tested the 20glt on 2.0. All stroked cars run standalone w/t gt30 or bigger here
Fact: people in Europe do not usually use methanol injection as a power adder like you guys do in the US. I know of only a few evos that use methanol as a power adder (rather than safety) in Turkey. All the said cars run big turbos (600+bhp) with very expensive engine management systems (motec gold) with bunch of maps for safety in case things go wrong. Of course you can do it cheaper, but you might blow your motor one day... Assuming he does not use race gas and methanol (like 99% of lads in the UK) his max HP with the 20GLT will be around 450BHP with boltons including manifold.
Prices: For someone living in the UK, 20GLT will cost 1700$+shipping (close to 2k). No one I know would go through the trouble to have their car down and ship a turbo to US and than back to UK not knowing the downtime / turnaround time to save money... Again, to get the said 450+bhp on pump, he will need a good manifold like full race (1k in UK). At the end of the day, the difference between 20GLT (2k - 3k depending on manifold) and a kit like Bushur 30-35 (probably around 4k at your door in UK) or AMS (he already has it) is not considerable in the bigger scheme of things. One will give you 450+BHP (20 more than stock 9 turbo), the other 550+BHP (120BHP more than stock 9 turbo). In the bigger scheme of things like dishing out for a standalone (1-3k), clutch (1-3k), injectors (0.4k), cost of the 2.3 kit with install (3-4k), etc... the price difference between the two (2-3k) for the additional 100bhp is not that much
If I were to spent over 10k building a stroker, I would rather spent another 2-3k and do it right the first time.
I am not saying this is right, it is just my humble opinion and recommendation.
BTW, if he definitely wants to use the 20GLT, I suggest keeping the stock motor and just getting the turbo with a good manifold (3k). Sell all the expensive stuff to save some real money (AMS Intake Mani, turbo kit, stroker, etc, etc...)
What ever the decision, good luck with the car and moving the house
Look at this, so 40 whp + on mustang dyno with just the Evo green so is defenetly not the only 20hp plus you are claiming or you have a bad tuner.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=260282
a local guy had the BR 2.3 w/ a 20g-9 and meth....torque monster is all I have to say. Never rode in his car w/ that setup but the #'s and dyno sheet looked great...his #'s were 359whp & 408 torque and here's his dyno sheet:
he later dynoed 366whp & 412ft-lbs of torque, both dyno numbers on Buschur Racing's Mustang Dyno.
he later dynoed 366whp & 412ft-lbs of torque, both dyno numbers on Buschur Racing's Mustang Dyno.
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