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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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^ this is what i was saying all along

You are definately correct

But its impossible to argue with forum tun4rs so... lol

Now if only I could find a front splitter/undertray for my 5 id be set.

This looks like it might work for my car, but i would want dimensions and such before i decide:


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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:33 PM
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I agree.It's so funny how these really informative threads just pop out of no where! It's so refreshing seeing these kind of threads after seeing so much BS.

agreed
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CBRD
aero, realistically, is aero..

you see lots of DTM cars taking the shape of closed wheel and open wheel cars....

the big aero inefficiency on our cars, is the underside... the car needs a proper flat bottom with a rear undertray.... the pinch point of the undertray is very important.... cars like the f360, f430... they try to create tunnels like the older GTP cars had....

get dive planes on the front... help air to evacuate... and flatten the bottom of the car..

the most important thing is to create a good aero platform... you want to balance the entire car... we would spend lots of time doing steady state speed runs down the straight to measure damper travel to confirm the amount of downforce on a car....


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i feel it's too impractical to address the entire underside of the car. i think that's why we see a lot of "brute force" df methods in the japanese industry. bigger wings, bigger splitters. addresst eh front, address the back, get big.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FatheroftheEVO
You are definately correct

But its impossible to argue with forum tun4rs so... lol

Now if only I could find a front splitter/undertray for my 5 id be set.

This looks like it might work for my car, but i would want dimensions and such before i decide:

the person that makes them for evolutionary can custom make you whatever dimensions you need. no more excuses!
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:46 PM
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USDM EVO8 diffuser on our Time Attack car with the APR wide body kit.


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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:53 PM
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iunno how comfy you are with doin' body work dave, but i'd say you should cut that bumper at the "line" going all the way around (the one that goes across the license plate area) and move the diffuser "up a notch"
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:58 PM
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That would be a job and half. Actually I was thinking that since it is impossible to keep all the air out of that upper area it might benefit from leaving it open to let the air pass back out. Remember, it is only like that because of APR's wide body kit. On the USDM EVO8 it fits flat all the way around.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by trinydex
the person that makes them for evolutionary can custom make you whatever dimensions you need. no more excuses!

Is he on here, or do i have to get in co ntact with evolutionary first? Id like to know what goes into the construction of these, and how much downforce they can hold.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
That would be a job and half. Actually I was thinking that since it is impossible to keep all the air out of that upper area it might benefit from leaving it open to let the air pass back out. Remember, it is only like that because of APR's wide body kit. On the USDM EVO8 it fits flat all the way around.
you might be better off developing an underspoiler for that application then, and having the bumper vented for any air cought up in it.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
That would be a job and half. Actually I was thinking that since it is impossible to keep all the air out of that upper area it might benefit from leaving it open to let the air pass back out. Remember, it is only like that because of APR's wide body kit. On the USDM EVO8 it fits flat all the way around.
yeah i know it'll fit the 8 bumper, but i'd suggest cutting the 8 bumper too

and then for any flow that squeezes above the diff etc. you can poke some holds in the rear... mabe 3 on each side. this will give you a lotta df in the back without presenting cross sectional area to oncoming flow like giving your wing more angle would.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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The holes are so ugly!!! I am only willing to do so much and nothing at the cost of UGLY. haha

Fatheroftheevo, if you just want an undertray and not a splitter this material I am using would work great, you could fabricate those kick ups into the tire area if you felt the need.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The holes are so ugly!!! I am only willing to do so much and nothing at the cost of UGLY. haha

Fatheroftheevo, if you just want an undertray and not a splitter this material I am using would work great, you could fabricate those kick ups into the tire area if you felt the need.
That could be a solution yea. right now I just want to balance the front downforce with the rear downforce generated by the stock evo 5 spoiler. since homoligation allowed mitsu to mount it higher in the airflow, and have ~30* angle of attack adjustment, its said to generate a good amount of DF (a few hundred lbs is what I have read). on track it pushes around mid-higher speed turns and even more around high speed sweepers, where its balanced at lower cornering speeds. and of course I cant change the look of a 5, it would be blashpemy, lol. wether just an undertray will give me enough, I dont know. what Im expecting is to have to run about 2 inches of splitter along with an undertray.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 03:30 PM
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BTW, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier with the fenders:



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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 03:41 PM
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I am certain that this material will withstand a 2" splitter. We are just trying to drop the drag on the car, so the undertrays we are making tuck in behind the front lip for the least amount of drag.
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Old Oct 10, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Vostok 7
BTW, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier with the fenders:



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except this is exactly analogous. notice how the fenders stick out beyond the body of the car, that creates an acceleration in flow over the "hump" on the side of the car.
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