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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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i went back to stock cams and the ticking went away also the lifters i tested them and they hold oil fine havent had the problem with oem cams

here is a dyno from dll from an evo using the 20glt 91oct 22psi base tune it hitted 333whp with a tune 368whp this evo has all the supporting mods:

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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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we are at 3300feet of altitude at sea level it would be more and with racegas iam dying to find out this is what has motivated to get a 20glt
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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:41 PM
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Maybe you had a bad pair of cams, I dont know. No one else has that problem so it seems to be isolated to just you.

This dyno doesnt show me much. Also, it looks like a dynocomp which reads higher than a dynojet
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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Maybe you had a bad pair of cams, I dont know. No one else has that problem so it seems to be isolated to just you.

This dyno doesnt show me much. Also, it looks like a dynocomp which reads higher than a dynojet
yeah its Data log lab,they say higher but i think its power its where it should be it pulls like a train from hell cant wait to test it with vp109

about the cams thats what i thought maybe they where in bad shape if i go this route with the 20glt ill be buying the gsc cams only good things i read from them.
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Old Jul 1, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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i think warrtalon was one in which his car didnt gain any horsepower when installing cams just a comment ok.
in my car using DLL i only had 13whp gain with 91oct i dont know if its cause iam at 3300feet of altitude or cause of the tick tap nosie they made during warmup i even made a thread a couple months ago.
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 04:31 AM
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here's what my car did when I put on the HKS 280's and re-tuned it. I'm with them, the stock cams are going to hold you back some because you're going to have to run more boost to move as much air as a cammed car and you're bound to hit knock first.
I have a 20GLT, Ported stock Mani ordered and I'm going to be ordering a FMIC soon...it should be interesting.


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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Thats not the cams, its the lifters. Sometimes lifters go bad after a cam install, mine did actually. I have the Jackson Auto Machine non-tick lifters now.

I think that JR had a bad experience with a valvetrain clicking noise once the engine was warm, though it was very slight(It didn't bother me), but he wasn't happy with it. Also, I think that his HKS cams were improperly installed, without applying camshaft install lube to the lobe surfaces and lifter faces, or the bearing surfaces.

Tolerances were affected due to use of an innacurate torque wrench creating tolerance stacking along the camshaft, with a slight galling of the microfinish on one of the camshaft bearing surfaces. I think too that after removal, when he miked his HKS cam, that one of the cam bearing surfaces was a tad undersized, or on the lower end of the tolerance range.

Ever since this experience JR has been afraid to do the aftermarket camshaft thing again .

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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
here's what my car did when I put on the HKS 280's and re-tuned it. I'm with them, the stock cams are going to hold you back some because you're going to have to run more boost to move as much air as a cammed car and you're bound to hit knock first.
I have a 20GLT, Ported stock Mani ordered and I'm going to be ordering a FMIC soon...it should be interesting.

thanks mellon thats impresive i will need to get them again.

sparky your right i dont like anything funny going in my engine maybe with some new cams and proper instalation they will be ok but you must help me
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jrsimon27
ok leaving just the stock cams i would need to buy the 20g turbo the fmic and the injectors.
i already have the licp,fuelpump,02housing and tbe with test pipe.
would this be good to do? or still i need those cams in there?
i would get cam gears to tweak the cams accordingly, -5/-5 to allow the engine to breath @ a higher rpm, taking advantage of having the 20g-lt turbo....

putting a 20g lt turbo with stock cams & cam gears is not a very good parts match.....you cant take advantage of what you have.

it's kinda like running a 3.5" exhaust with a stock cat

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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by WOT
i would get cam gears to tweak the cams accordingly, -5/-5 to allow the engine to breath @ a higher rpm, taking advantage of having the 20g-lt turbo....
I agree WOT! JR is running his stock cams way retarded at the -5i/-5e setting, already. After driving my car he´s convinced that the 20G-LT is for real. So hopefully he´ll gradually come over fully to the Dark Side, and end up doing the FMIC and the cams as well.
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Dude listen, youre going into threads on here, and listening to random people who just spout out info which is completely false and youre taking it all as facts.

I'm not disagreeing with, but I find it funny that you tell the guy not to listen to random people on the internet when YOU are one of those random people on the internet
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kguy
I'm not disagreeing with, but I find it funny that you tell the guy not to listen to random people on the internet when YOU are one of those random people on the internet
so true
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kguy
I'm not disagreeing with, but I find it funny that you tell the guy not to listen to random people on the internet when YOU are one of those random people on the internet

Uhh no I am not. I give people the correct advice and how to go fast the most reliable way like I have done. I know what works and what doesnt. Buying a 20G with stock cams is a waste of money and the people selling it (buschur) will tell you the same exact thing. So if youd like to show me how thats incorrect information, be my guest. Until then, you can STFU

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Originally Posted by WOT
i would get cam gears to tweak the cams accordingly, -5/-5 to allow the engine to breath @ a higher rpm, taking advantage of having the 20g-lt turbo....

putting a 20g lt turbo with stock cams & cam gears is not a very good parts match.....you cant take advantage of what you have.

it's kinda like running a 3.5" exhaust with a stock cat
my stock cams i have them set at (-5,-5) maybe this will help me in not getting cams.
i will first try the 20g,injectors,fmic and the exhaust ported manifold from bushur racing with my stock cams set at -5,-5 and see what whp i put down if i put at least 360whp on pumpgas (91oct) ill be happy if not ill get the cams
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Old Jul 2, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Uhh no I am not. I give people the correct advice and how to go fast the most reliable way like I have done. I know what works and what doesnt. Buying a 20G with stock cams is a waste of money and the people selling it (buschur) will tell you the same exact thing. So if youd like to show me how thats incorrect information, be my guest. Until then, you can STFU
LTR, then STFU yourself Didn't say I disagreed with you, actually said "I'm not disagreeing with you". But YOU ARE A RANDOM PERSON ON THE INTERNET. I find it funny that you said quit listening to random people here when you are one. I'm sure all the people you are referring to believe that they are 100% correct as well.

The reality is, your an just another guy who posts on a message board. You could have invented the combustion engine and no one would know it based on your Evom ID.
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