FMIC - If you don't need the xtra cooling
[QUOTE=davidbuschur;5037180]evo8ltw, it is not the same. The 3" exhaust will flow enough and evacuate the exhaust gases perfectly up to let's say 600 whp on our dyno. It's not that I don't recommend a 3.5" exhaust, if a car actually needs one then I recommend it. We built 15 systems to date, all of them were on 37r or larger turbo cars. My RS just ran 9.6 at 151 with our 3" exhaust on it......
Didn't you guys test your race fmic vs ebays smaller fmic. So of course that isn't fair and also when you guys tested the ebay tbe you guys had yours with a test pipe and the ebay had a cat so of course yours well make more power.
just curious did you guys test this ebay tbe ever
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exhau...spagenameZWD1V
Didn't you guys test your race fmic vs ebays smaller fmic. So of course that isn't fair and also when you guys tested the ebay tbe you guys had yours with a test pipe and the ebay had a cat so of course yours well make more power.
just curious did you guys test this ebay tbe ever
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exhau...spagenameZWD1V
Yeah but if your calculating power during all times of driving, this means, on the road course, in 110 degree heat, after multiple high speed pulls, then YOU ARE NOT GETTING THAT WHP with an eBay FMIC.
Your IC works, but not in all conditions.
I didnt buy 10k worth of parts for a 30k dollar car to make it fast for only a portion of the time I am driving it, I did that because I want it everyday every minute.
Scorke
Your IC works, but not in all conditions.
I didnt buy 10k worth of parts for a 30k dollar car to make it fast for only a portion of the time I am driving it, I did that because I want it everyday every minute.
Scorke
Yea man i agree with that. But realistically the people buying the ebay fmic dont have 10k of mods. It works well with the stock turbo or something of its size evogreen. You would be stubborn to deny that and i know youre not stupid.
Most people dotn road course their car they dont need to spend alot of money on something like that. I do lots of logging and tuning on my own car and it works very well so i can reccomend it. If i were to reccomend crap parts then i tune a car and the results are bad, it makes me look bad... I dont want that....
Since i have the built motor and bigger turbo i will most likely need to go with a bigger fmic, i dont think the meth alone will suffice to cooling. We'll see and ill post up.
I'll most likely be upgrading to a buschur race since itll help my setup, not for any other reason. I dont like following the stragiht line, i spent 1000 on mods and made 438whp/444wtrq, you cant beat that =-) I'm hoping to do somehting impressive with my new setup and i think the ic will be holding me back.
Cheers!
lighten up
[QUOTE=beemerfreak;5040581]
Dont forget that test was done on a 650whp car.... Not a typical 350-400whp stock turbo car that people run the ebay ic on...
From my testing the buschur race is the best ic on any other turbo... compared to the ets 4" it blew it out of the water, which i foudn very interesting since theyre very similar
evo8ltw, it is not the same. The 3" exhaust will flow enough and evacuate the exhaust gases perfectly up to let's say 600 whp on our dyno. It's not that I don't recommend a 3.5" exhaust, if a car actually needs one then I recommend it. We built 15 systems to date, all of them were on 37r or larger turbo cars. My RS just ran 9.6 at 151 with our 3" exhaust on it......
Didn't you guys test your race fmic vs ebays smaller fmic. So of course that isn't fair and also when you guys tested the ebay tbe you guys had yours with a test pipe and the ebay had a cat so of course yours well make more power.
just curious did you guys test this ebay tbe ever
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exhau...spagenameZWD1V
Didn't you guys test your race fmic vs ebays smaller fmic. So of course that isn't fair and also when you guys tested the ebay tbe you guys had yours with a test pipe and the ebay had a cat so of course yours well make more power.
just curious did you guys test this ebay tbe ever
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Exhau...spagenameZWD1V
Dont forget that test was done on a 650whp car.... Not a typical 350-400whp stock turbo car that people run the ebay ic on...
From my testing the buschur race is the best ic on any other turbo... compared to the ets 4" it blew it out of the water, which i foudn very interesting since theyre very similar
I think we should bring this thread back on topic......
We all know an aftermarket FMIC will provide gains over the stock one by cooling the charge....... This guy already has meth so his intake charge is already very cold.
I doubt a FMIC would provide any noticable gains to a meth injected car under 400whp. My car is a track **** and I still have the stocker. I run 25psi daily but only 23psi at HPDEs. Even on 80* days my FMICs hotside is warm and coldside is cool.
I don't want to get off topic but the same goes for an intake. I've logged intake temps with the stock box and open filter. I've even done back to back tests at the track. I can only report what I've found on my car but I see better results with the stock airbox. I'll bet at higher horsepower levels the stock box is a restriction but at my power levels it beats sucking in engine bay temps especially when lapping the car. I know intakes show gains on the dyno but that test eliminates a high pressure force fed cold air source to the stock box.
This guy has meth, isn't running insane boost, isn't sucking in hot engine bay air, and currently doesn't have a heat soak problem.
The question about flow is still at bay. Will the aftermarket FMIC help flow? Can the increased cooling design of an aftermarket unit also increase airflow? My guess is the gains won't be worth the penalty of weight and expense.
We all know an aftermarket FMIC will provide gains over the stock one by cooling the charge....... This guy already has meth so his intake charge is already very cold.
I doubt a FMIC would provide any noticable gains to a meth injected car under 400whp. My car is a track **** and I still have the stocker. I run 25psi daily but only 23psi at HPDEs. Even on 80* days my FMICs hotside is warm and coldside is cool.
I don't want to get off topic but the same goes for an intake. I've logged intake temps with the stock box and open filter. I've even done back to back tests at the track. I can only report what I've found on my car but I see better results with the stock airbox. I'll bet at higher horsepower levels the stock box is a restriction but at my power levels it beats sucking in engine bay temps especially when lapping the car. I know intakes show gains on the dyno but that test eliminates a high pressure force fed cold air source to the stock box.
This guy has meth, isn't running insane boost, isn't sucking in hot engine bay air, and currently doesn't have a heat soak problem.
The question about flow is still at bay. Will the aftermarket FMIC help flow? Can the increased cooling design of an aftermarket unit also increase airflow? My guess is the gains won't be worth the penalty of weight and expense.
beemerfreak, actually you are incorrect. Yes we did test our Race FMIC against the smaller Ebay AMS knock off and then immediately following that test we tested it against the large Ebay FMIC, so we did both and they both sucked. I NEVER tested the Ebay exhaust against ours.
Jeff Jeske, you are also incorrect. This is quite simple. You have a turbo putting out lets say 300 degree F outlet temps at 25 psi. With a great intercooler you drop that down to say 100 degrees. With a junk intercooler you drop it down to 150 degrees. No matter how you look at injecting meth you are still going to have AIT's that are a certain temp and the lower that tempurature is the better.
Jeff Jeske, you are also incorrect. This is quite simple. You have a turbo putting out lets say 300 degree F outlet temps at 25 psi. With a great intercooler you drop that down to say 100 degrees. With a junk intercooler you drop it down to 150 degrees. No matter how you look at injecting meth you are still going to have AIT's that are a certain temp and the lower that tempurature is the better.
What is an ideal AIT on a stock turbo? What have you seen to be the range that works well when upgrading intercoolers on a stock turbos, preferrably the IX turbo?
Also, do you have any comparisons between the exact same car on an oem fmic and an upgraded fmic on the exact same day?
Cheers-
Erich
Also, do you have any comparisons between the exact same car on an oem fmic and an upgraded fmic on the exact same day?
Cheers-
Erich
Last edited by Wicked E; Dec 10, 2007 at 06:01 PM.
I don't understand how people can put crap branded products on such a nice car. It doesn't matter if you bought it new at $30k+ or used for $20k, putting on a ****ty part you "convinced" yourself is just as good as something well engineered is foolish.
If everyone wants cheap speed just buy a junk civic hatch and throw the biggest engine you can find. Don't dump a bunch of no brand junk on your car and assume that every one of those manifolds is comming from the same manufacturer.
If everyone wants cheap speed just buy a junk civic hatch and throw the biggest engine you can find. Don't dump a bunch of no brand junk on your car and assume that every one of those manifolds is comming from the same manufacturer.
Maybe people should just post whether they think the bang would be worth the buck.
I don't understand how people can put crap branded products on such a nice car. It doesn't matter if you bought it new at $30k+ or used for $20k, putting on a ****ty part you "convinced" yourself is just as good as something well engineered is foolish.
If everyone wants cheap speed just buy a junk civic hatch and throw the biggest engine you can find. Don't dump a bunch of no brand junk on your car and assume that every one of those manifolds is comming from the same manufacturer.
If everyone wants cheap speed just buy a junk civic hatch and throw the biggest engine you can find. Don't dump a bunch of no brand junk on your car and assume that every one of those manifolds is comming from the same manufacturer.
price doesnt always buy power... when you start testing parts and get some experience then youll understnad...
Everything until my new build have been parts looked down upon, cheap and off brand... But its well thoguht out and they work together well so i made good power
Spending the most possible doesnt mean the best, dont be ignorant
It's great the results you're getting with meth! It is a very nice supplement to pump fuel for added fun 
While impressive, we still feel that you'd see additional gains from upgrading your intercooler.
Our customers regularly report the ability to increase boost by 2-3 psi and add up to 6 degrees more timing from their previous knock threshold on the stock intercooler when running pump gas (91-93 octane). We've also had customers in hot climates insist that their EVO feels like a completely new vehicle after installing our intercooler
Consistent and lower AITs translate to higher boost/timing without knock, thus the bigger power numbers. Repeatable performance is another benefit. With better heatsoak resistance, the car will pull just as hard time after time as it did on the first rip. That's a huge plus for any kind of track use or even "spirited" street driving It's of course up to you to upgrade or not, but we honestly feel it worthwhile in every regard. Good luck!
Tom
While impressive, we still feel that you'd see additional gains from upgrading your intercooler. Our customers regularly report the ability to increase boost by 2-3 psi and add up to 6 degrees more timing from their previous knock threshold on the stock intercooler when running pump gas (91-93 octane). We've also had customers in hot climates insist that their EVO feels like a completely new vehicle after installing our intercooler
Consistent and lower AITs translate to higher boost/timing without knock, thus the bigger power numbers. Repeatable performance is another benefit. With better heatsoak resistance, the car will pull just as hard time after time as it did on the first rip. That's a huge plus for any kind of track use or even "spirited" street driving It's of course up to you to upgrade or not, but we honestly feel it worthwhile in every regard. Good luck!Tom
I can contest to that being that I was able to bump timing at least 5 degrees from 4500 rpms to 7500 rpms with an addition of an ETS FMIC BTW i live in Fla
What the tuners and people who I think understand the difference between good and bad ones choose good ones because whats the point?
Ok, you save a couple hundred dollars, 2-300 or so over the cheapest decent IC correct? For that you lose performance in a variety of areas.
4WS I agree that EBAY FMIC's prove better than stock in some areas, with meth or turbos that are spitting old relatively cold air they will be fine, because they dont have to take much heat out of the intake charge or worry about heat soak. No matter what as everybody says a better FMIC will make more power for a variety of reasons in combination with each other ( Temps themselves-> tune->more timing due to colder air->more fuel due to denser air-> more powaaaah.
You paid 20k for the car at a minimum realistically if your spending a couple hundred on exhaust and an intercooler and a blow off or intake most likely, go the extra mile, buy a real one and gain performance and help out a vendor on the forums so they can make more stuff for us, or make one yourself.
Scorke