Anyone considering a Magnus manifold, check this out!!!
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Well the one thing I have to admit that I'm not understanding is....
Where are the reports of AMS manifolds failing?
It just seems odd because we know there is a ton of AMS inlets on cars running meth... and you'd think we would have seen some instances of it so far. Maybe AMS can comment on how often they see failures?
That said, I have to agree with Marco it seems unlikely boost pressure alone could bend aluminum like that.
Where are the reports of AMS manifolds failing?
It just seems odd because we know there is a ton of AMS inlets on cars running meth... and you'd think we would have seen some instances of it so far. Maybe AMS can comment on how often they see failures?
That said, I have to agree with Marco it seems unlikely boost pressure alone could bend aluminum like that.
As you can see misuse and common ignorance of the issues at hand are enough to cause enough damage to someones business on the internet forums.
People ask me why I don't post much on the internet, I don't have to. Because it becomes a dick swinging festival, I have nothing to prove on these forums. The level we are at is beyond most if not all of the people who read this forum. Now it is time I swung my dick around as well.
I make my living building the fastest and most powerful 4G63 engines on the planet, bar none. And they are proven by the LAST EVER modified NHRA import title to ever be awarded. I will stand behind my accomplishments, instead of my computer keyboard.
Watch out for Osofast Racing and Magnus next year where we plan to be slugging it out with promods, and turbo v8's in 10.5" tire racing. NHRA said we had too much for them and penalized us and kept slowing us down. Now we will race in a no rules class with 1/4 the displacement of competing V8 powered cars. 1400hp was so last year
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Well me personally, the way I see it, both AMS and Magnus sell A LOT of inlets... now yes we have heard of a few people complain about the Magnus splitting. Not sure how many. At least a few. In this thread we've heard of claims of the AMS mani letting go too. How much of all these claims is true? Impossible to say.
So yes there is incidents of failures. Does the Magnus fail more than AMS? Only way we'd ever know is if Magnus and AMS put out how many failures they've seen. I think we can all agree we can't figure things out just from what we see in this forum.
Me personally, I'm mostly concerned about performance. I'm just hoping the Magnus race I run fairs well in Paul's manifold test. I'm quite sure Marco would replace my manifold if it failed, which it hasn't so far up to 2.4 bar boost.
So yes there is incidents of failures. Does the Magnus fail more than AMS? Only way we'd ever know is if Magnus and AMS put out how many failures they've seen. I think we can all agree we can't figure things out just from what we see in this forum.
Me personally, I'm mostly concerned about performance. I'm just hoping the Magnus race I run fairs well in Paul's manifold test. I'm quite sure Marco would replace my manifold if it failed, which it hasn't so far up to 2.4 bar boost.
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Read this whole thread carefully and there are 2 instances of it in this thread. The fact of the matter is, if somebody blows up their own $hit, they have zero obligation to tell the whole world about it on the internet.
As you can see misuse and common ignorance of the issues at hand are enough to cause enough damage to someones business on the internet forums.
People ask me why I don't post much on the internet, I don't have to. Because it becomes a dick swinging festival, I have nothing to prove on these forums. The level we are at is beyond most if not all of the people who read this forum. Now it is time I swung my dick around as well.
I make my living building the fastest and most powerful 4G63 engines on the planet, bar none. And they are proven by the LAST EVER modified NHRA import title to ever be awarded. I will stand behind my accomplishments, instead of my computer keyboard.
Watch out for Osofast Racing and Magnus next year where we plan to be slugging it out with promods, and turbo v8's in 10.5" tire racing. NHRA said we had too much for them and penalized us and kept slowing us down. Now we will race in a no rules class with 1/4 the displacement of competing V8 powered cars. 1400hp was so last year
As you can see misuse and common ignorance of the issues at hand are enough to cause enough damage to someones business on the internet forums.
People ask me why I don't post much on the internet, I don't have to. Because it becomes a dick swinging festival, I have nothing to prove on these forums. The level we are at is beyond most if not all of the people who read this forum. Now it is time I swung my dick around as well.
I make my living building the fastest and most powerful 4G63 engines on the planet, bar none. And they are proven by the LAST EVER modified NHRA import title to ever be awarded. I will stand behind my accomplishments, instead of my computer keyboard.
Watch out for Osofast Racing and Magnus next year where we plan to be slugging it out with promods, and turbo v8's in 10.5" tire racing. NHRA said we had too much for them and penalized us and kept slowing us down. Now we will race in a no rules class with 1/4 the displacement of competing V8 powered cars. 1400hp was so last year
I have to agree with you,some of the so called experts have read a book or 2 and seen it on the net so are now experts
and will swing there dick at any chance they get.Mark
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I was standing in the staging lanes at Maple Grove with Shepherd. He cranked the engine, huge backfire, like a bomb went off. The car either had our old sheetmetal intake on it or BJ's, I believe it was ours at the time. The explosion split the FMIC tanks, blew up couplings and bent the throttle blade. John took the blade out, flattened it out, we built some make shift i/c pipes and eliminated the FMIC all together, he won the race. This is when he was still on gasoline. Intake manifold was no harmed.
Matt Smith split two intakes, as I have said and was told they were early designs and the design was going to be changed...............Marco did replace it. It was then sold and replaced with AMS's. Nothing else was changed and it has never split again.
I have never seen an AMS intake manifold crack/split or explode. You would think with all these crazy *** methanol backfires and explosions that are being talked about I'd see one or hear one atleast once in awhile. I'd personally think it would cause a bent throttle blade atleast with the stock intake/throttle bodies that I prefer to run. Or you'd think with that much pressure in the intake manifold all these crazy back fires and explosions might even pop off a vacuum line attached to the intake manifold...........................
One other thing. When we were racing the tube chassis car and Conquest we had our sheetmetal intake manifold on them. Since the cars were automatics we triggered the nitrous to work at ANY RPM as long as the pedal was at WOT. The car's constantly triggered the nitrous between 1500-2000 rpm. I NEVER had any explosion and in hundreds of passes with those two cars never split an intake manifold. We have the tube chassis Honda down in Aruba, has a 4G63 we built in it, 2 liters, running 150 shot of nitrous, same deal. That car has been there about 4 years now, has gone 7.66 at 175 mph, runs our old sheetmetal intake on it still and has never had one of these crazy explosions or hurt the intake manifold.
I gave my input and it appears as though we are all idiots here except for one guy, how's it feel to be a genius...............................?
Matt Smith split two intakes, as I have said and was told they were early designs and the design was going to be changed...............Marco did replace it. It was then sold and replaced with AMS's. Nothing else was changed and it has never split again.
I have never seen an AMS intake manifold crack/split or explode. You would think with all these crazy *** methanol backfires and explosions that are being talked about I'd see one or hear one atleast once in awhile. I'd personally think it would cause a bent throttle blade atleast with the stock intake/throttle bodies that I prefer to run. Or you'd think with that much pressure in the intake manifold all these crazy back fires and explosions might even pop off a vacuum line attached to the intake manifold...........................
One other thing. When we were racing the tube chassis car and Conquest we had our sheetmetal intake manifold on them. Since the cars were automatics we triggered the nitrous to work at ANY RPM as long as the pedal was at WOT. The car's constantly triggered the nitrous between 1500-2000 rpm. I NEVER had any explosion and in hundreds of passes with those two cars never split an intake manifold. We have the tube chassis Honda down in Aruba, has a 4G63 we built in it, 2 liters, running 150 shot of nitrous, same deal. That car has been there about 4 years now, has gone 7.66 at 175 mph, runs our old sheetmetal intake on it still and has never had one of these crazy explosions or hurt the intake manifold.
I gave my input and it appears as though we are all idiots here except for one guy, how's it feel to be a genius...............................?
But don't insult my intelligence, or try and reel me into an internet drama, I'll let you reconsider that last post, because I know you personally, and you can be a hot head. Maybe you didn't mean it.
In this case sir you are dead wrong. You don't know the facts. At the shootout he had BJ's intake on it and blew one side of it out, they replaced it, He took the throttle body off my car which was not running that year, and they had a spare BJ's intake.
At NY Rochester NOPI event in 2006 he blew the AMS intake manifold up at the top end of the track we were all there in line packing our chutes and waiting for tow's. It looked alot like the picture at the beginning of this post. All of us racers witnessed it, but why should we go tell the world about it? Just like why should you tell the world that it never happened, when it actually did.
I'm not trying to damage anyones reputation here, but it seems that you want to damage mine. Shep knows why he hurt the intake manifold and it was a backfire, no fault of the AMS product, or the BJ's. It happens to the best of us.
I just called John Shepherd.........you are incorrect. Read my post please. At MAPLE GROVE, like I said, he verified he did have our intake on his car and it was not damaged. Bent the throttle plate, split the FMIC and blew apart an i/c coupling, that is the race I stated and was referring to.
Marco, I am not trying to bash your business or product. If you go back to my first or second post you will see I told the guy he needed to check to see how old the intake manifold is. You have yet to address the fact that there was a change in design or material along the way with these and that is all I was trying to tell the guy. Instead you came on and talked to us all like we are idiots, which pissed me off. You are only addressing the topics you want to. Couldn't his intake be an old original design from you? Keith M. had two fail also. You gave him a free new one to run (he runs meth) and has not had one fail since. I thought and still think the facts may be this guy has an older design intake manifold.
I don't see anything from my last post to reconsider. I didn't bash you and I haven't bashed you in this thread or anywhere else. Quite the opposite actually.
If I was trying to do that you know I'd go straight for "ugly" and I haven't done that.
Marco, I am not trying to bash your business or product. If you go back to my first or second post you will see I told the guy he needed to check to see how old the intake manifold is. You have yet to address the fact that there was a change in design or material along the way with these and that is all I was trying to tell the guy. Instead you came on and talked to us all like we are idiots, which pissed me off. You are only addressing the topics you want to. Couldn't his intake be an old original design from you? Keith M. had two fail also. You gave him a free new one to run (he runs meth) and has not had one fail since. I thought and still think the facts may be this guy has an older design intake manifold.
I don't see anything from my last post to reconsider. I didn't bash you and I haven't bashed you in this thread or anywhere else. Quite the opposite actually.
If I was trying to do that you know I'd go straight for "ugly" and I haven't done that.
I've seen Shepherd have huge nitrous back fires twice in person. Busted end tanks on intercoolers, bent throttle blades, even ruptured thick HD i/c couplings...........neither of them blew the intake manifolds apart.
I am still curious to the answer to my question, how old is that intake manifold? I am surprised Marco didn't ask unless he already knows. There were quite a few of the EVO intakes in the beginning that blew apart, I thought maybe this was one of the old ones. I know two blew apart on Matt Smith's car and he runs no nitrous or meth. I'm not sure how many Al blew apart, I believe 2 of them also but he does run meth on occasion.
I am still curious to the answer to my question, how old is that intake manifold? I am surprised Marco didn't ask unless he already knows. There were quite a few of the EVO intakes in the beginning that blew apart, I thought maybe this was one of the old ones. I know two blew apart on Matt Smith's car and he runs no nitrous or meth. I'm not sure how many Al blew apart, I believe 2 of them also but he does run meth on occasion.
Since i went to the HKS Kansai intake (cast) purchased from Buschur Racing I have not had any problems
PS
Its nice to see that David Buschur's RS went 9.6 in full street trim with a stock intake manifold - interesting eh? What does that tell us ?
Al
PPS - It was interesting when I was at Buschur's several years ago when some of the sheet metal intakes were tested back to back on the Red Buschur 9 second street evo now owned by Boost Brother Daniel Buschur
Very interesting
I guess that is why both the Boost Brother's Evos run a stock intake manifold ?
Very interesting
I guess that is why both the Boost Brother's Evos run a stock intake manifold ?
Are you guys ****ing retarded?
Seriously, a 4 year old is able to determine that this isn't due to "poor welds". The only way that aluminum could BURST OPEN would be from an increase of A LOT of pressure in a very short time (ex: EXPLOSION, BACKFIRE). If this was a weld quality problem you wouldn't see two big *** openings, you'd see a small crack along the welds. Meth & poor tuning = bad.
For those of you that are ragging on Marco because of his "thread count" you need to shut the **** up and sit down. If you guys had a fraction of his experience or knowledge you'd understand how ****ing dumb you really are.
Seriously, a 4 year old is able to determine that this isn't due to "poor welds". The only way that aluminum could BURST OPEN would be from an increase of A LOT of pressure in a very short time (ex: EXPLOSION, BACKFIRE). If this was a weld quality problem you wouldn't see two big *** openings, you'd see a small crack along the welds. Meth & poor tuning = bad.
For those of you that are ragging on Marco because of his "thread count" you need to shut the **** up and sit down. If you guys had a fraction of his experience or knowledge you'd understand how ****ing dumb you really are.
Just do what i did when i blew mine up with meth. Take a hammer beat her shut and weld her back up
I did stick weld inside of her. I was in stop and go traffic with the meth coming on at 7 psi. I had 2-m15 jets also. Well after about 30 mins of stopping and going i hear a big *** boom than the middle grill shoots straight up into the air 
I just started laughing my *** off. Called the wife up had her get the truck and the trailer than towed me home. 
That spilt in your manifold looks just like mine did.
I did stick weld inside of her. I was in stop and go traffic with the meth coming on at 7 psi. I had 2-m15 jets also. Well after about 30 mins of stopping and going i hear a big *** boom than the middle grill shoots straight up into the air I just started laughing my *** off. Called the wife up had her get the truck and the trailer than towed me home. That spilt in your manifold looks just like mine did.
