if i got an AP from you guys how much would it cost to have it shipped to 28411?? can you get more power out of the ap than you can a flashed stock ecu??? how hard is it to tune yourself??

 

So finally the pro tunner is out or what?
Finally custom maps can be made for pump and C16 based on the needs of the customer? Will it work with larger injectors as well? Need to know more, this is what I've been waiting.

Thanks

 

very true... what i didnt think was cool is they are making already authorized protuners pay another fee for the evo software .... damn cobb. lose their engine guy, and they come up with new gimics lol

 

How much is the street tuner software on top of the AP?

 

Hey guys, here are ECU-flash results from my car which has similar mods to the one on the AP test, on AMS's dyno tuned by Chris in teh heat on June, hahaha!!

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=277129

 

Yea, but we know if you blow up, or something happens they still will not be responsible lol, its you gotta pay to play when it comes to racing

 

cool, thanks for posting.... pretty much the same power level then. Here is the question though... did you post weather corrected numbers are those normal ? Reason being, in the cold, i figured you'd a picked up at least 5 to 10whp. Unless your boost level has changed since switching to the AP

 

This is true... I am just speaking in terms of the average IX's I have seen around here at dyno day's and such. Obviously if you run something like a mustang dyno it will be lower

 

Shipping is free, as per the first post. Power level should be the same with either tuning method. You will need extra software to tune it yourself.

Yes, the software is out, I can make you any map that you may need for your car. It will work with larger injectors. We do have them in stock.

I am not sure. I have never sold one of these for either car.

Those numbers are weather corrected under SAE. The uncorrected numbers were a little higher. Both runs are made on the same day.

We have a dyno jet 424x with load control. We use SAE correction.

 

Hey Chris....just curious....when you say Pro-Tuner is out....is it only out for you and AL (dynoflash)...using beta versions to test for bugs....or AMS paid to get the PRo-tune software as well as any other protuner could do at this point?

 

i love how u can switch maps

 

The super official release I think has yet to come out yet. Should be any day now though.

 

700 + 400 for a tune FTL!

 

do you guys feel proprietary software is going to limit enthusiast's needs?

 

Personnally, coming from the subaru world where the Cobb AP is a huge hit, it was a breathe of fresh air to be able to actually have access to my ecu via ecuflash. For once I don't feel held hostage by someone else whenever I need to make a tuning change to my car. It was a real hassle trying to get tuned everytime I made a part change or wanted to try something else. Unforunately for me, I don't have any "Protuners" around my area, so everytime I needed a tune, I had to get a group of 5-10 people together so I could get the "tuner" to make a trip out to my area. Then if the tune had an issue, I was left dealing with back and forth emails and phone calls to see if I could get something changed. Then I had to wait for the tuner to email me the updated map, and if that didn't fix my issue, it was back to square one. I'm still a very active member on the subaru forums, and I can tell you that there aren't nearly as many people trying to tune their own cars with open source tuning, or even Cobb street tuner for that matter. Sure the AP is great for those that don't have the time, or don't want to learn how to tune, but I feel as if it has somewhat dumbed down the Subaru community when it comes to understanding tuning, and how changing certain things affects the cars performance.

Yes, Cobb did come out with street tuner software for the everyday user for the STI, but it cost $400. The price for evo street tuner probably won't be much different. The overall economics of using Cobb vs. ecuflash doesn't makes sense to me, but that my opinion. You pay $695 for an AP, plus whatever a tuner decides to charge you for a custom map(s). This is usually $300-500. A custom map will pretty much be required after you have exceeded Cobbs part requirements to use their off the shelf maps (OTS), which right now is just the addition of a TBE which is stage 2. So once you start throwing more performance parts on, it will be time to start getting "protuned" to get the most out of your setup. Plus you can kiss that cobb backing their product stuff right out the window once you start getting "protuned". From what I've seen coming over here to the darkside, the ecuflash tuners are very reasonable on pricing. Plus they seem more willing to go back and forth with datalogs and maps. Sure you could tune your evo using street tuner once its released by Cobb, but then you have $1000+ into tuning. For that amount of money, I can purchase a freaking ODII scanner, tactrix cable, laptop, and get a custom flash from a tuner to get me going.

Yes the AP is small and protable, and you can flash a real time map into your ecu whenever you want, but that fact is, you most likely won't be using this feature as much as you think. The only time I flashed in a real time map was when I switched over to race gas. It also reads and displays different parameters from the ecu, but it doesn't give max values of these parameters. The STI AP 2 can only read up to 18.5 psi. So if you own an STI and are tuned for 20 psi, the max it will read is 18.5. It also does the samething with the other live readings it displays. It might be somewhat different for the Evo, but I doubt it varies that much.

Like I stated before, the Cobb AP is a great tool for beginners, or those that don't want to learn, but for me, I'm glad I found ecuflash!