I agree, your best bet is to swing by each shop and see who you feel comfortable with.

I've heard good things about both

 

what he said.

ya & do a lil more research on what u want out of ur car then ur choice will be made for you...

as a special hint, my car is tuned & has the most torque on a stock turbo/stock ecu setup w/368tq to the wheels

 

Is that for 8s because my nine has 389tq to the wheels on Mynes mustang dyno courtesy of Jay damn that man can sure wake up a 9 turbo

 

im not calling anyone a fan boy, im just simply stating that there are ppl in and around all forums an groups of ppl. mynes is a great shop so is vivid, theres good and bad to be said about both. asking a bland question like what shop is better is like asking which color is the best red or blue, there are going to be a million opinons each way. I stated it on the 9th post in this thread go visit the shops, meet the ppl and make up your mind of that.

There are other shops in town who do tuning, there are also a few ppl that do tuning on the side with no overhead, in case money is tight.

the problem with gayZawd as i like to call it is two things. first the owner/creator is a ***, he has had a grudge with vivid since day one, and he sits in his parents basement making sure that anyone who works or even likes vivid cant give their .02 on that board. secondly because it seems everyone with the internet has become a F^&*ing expert. ppl on any forum are going to extend the truth and forget to include certin details when asking any questions.

this guy asking a general yet bland question, about getting his Evo tuned on a all evo forum your right might not be the best idea, but it was alot better the sinking down to a local waste of a forum like gayZawd

*to CroatianKid* do your homework kid there have been many ppl before you frequent these shops and post their experences online.

 

btw housedj's car is an 8

 

No experience w/ Mynes, but Mitch and all the guys at Vivid have done an excellent job w/ my car. I won't take it anywhere else. The shop is beautiful, everyone is friendly, and they have good prices. My car runs great after the tune.

 

yup. highest torque in az with no cams, stock turbo/stock eecu

 

If Mynes claims ownership of their "tune", then I guess that would be called a rent-a-tune. I think on a car that I own I would also want a tune that I own. FWIW. YMMV.

 

Jim, i understand where u r coming from. But from a business standpoint, we have to do this to cover the shop.

For instance: A car is tuned at Mynes and it's "open access" to all. A friend decides to tweak the tune and the motor blows up... then who's responsible for blowing up this motor?

Second example: I own a BMW but i don't "own" the tune. I can't go to BMW and say 'hey, i need to see what's in my computer since i own this car."

Third example: All the MoTeC tuners LOCK their tunes the same way we lock our. Yeah, one might be the owner of the $6000 ecu, but the tuned is only 'rented'. One can not go from one MoTeC tuner to the next and ask them to tune their ecu b/c it's most likely locked by the original tuner. To get it unlocked, must ask the original tuner to "reflash" it back to stock, or ask MoTeC USA to "reset" the ecu back to factory state.

For all of our tunes, we give the customer a copy of their dyno graph along with the AFR readings. In addition, we can also provide a log of the final run showing the knock counts and everything. I'm stating this up front so no one will be surprised if they decide to get their car tuned by us.

At Mynes, we tell it the way it is. Sometimes people don't like to hear what we have to say b/c they have already made up their minds before coming to us; all they want is for us to confirm their decision. We based our opinion on experience and we don't like to sugar-coat it; if the part is booty, then we tell u that it's booty... and we never try to sell you parts that u don't need or parts that we don't use or have used in the past.

If you agree with our approach and our way of doing business, then come on by. If you think this is not what you want, then that is your choice... no hard feelings. It's a free country and we can decide where we spend our hard-earn $

cheers.
mike

 

Go to vivid.

You don't want your ECU locked. That can be a hassle.

Say you add cams or what not. You might need to take a degree of timing out of the tune or add a little fuel.

you will have to pay for a full custom retune. I understand the tuner wants to lock your ecu so you have to return to them for a retune and dynotime. But there are TONS of tuners out there that don't lock their customers ecus. What if that said shop goes under you have a locked ecu. You want to buy a tune. Not rent one.

Who wants to get a storage unit. Buy whats inside of it. And give a random person the key? You won't be able to alter or correct something very simple. I've done stuff like change downpipes or air filters. And needed just a slight correction not a whole Re-tune with dynotime.

Dyno's are different than the street. You might change gas. HELL your friend might want to add the NLTS mod to your ecu or Valet mode mod. YOU WONT BE ABLE TO DO IT.

I can undo the lock. But I wouldn't support the tuner for doing this and I will not. But i'm j ust gonna let you know the lock can be undone.

Go to VIVID. Even if you get a bad tune. You won't have to pay someone extra to break the lock that was put on your ecu. Even if you get a decent tune. You will at somepoint need a retune, however at that point you'll be free to choose who does it not be stuck going back to mynes.

Also what if you getinto a arguement with the shop and don't want to return. You've got a tune. But you've got to give it back in order to gain access to your ECU again.

Get rid of that typhoon tho man. Thats what you GOTTA do. That thing will make it hell on a tuner. If i were you i'd ditch the typhoon and get a custom e-flash from jestr, or mellon (thats his name on here).

And mynes you can respond to this. But you wont change my views on LOCKING someones personal property. I think its wrong. And since most tuners don't do this. Tuners that do should be Avoided. That is my ownpersonal opnion. And I choose to voice it.

Go to vivid. Unless mynes agrees not to lock your ECU.

 

uuhhh, yeah, we know EcuFlash can be UNLOCK,,, come on, we are the one who released EcuFlash along with Tactrix in May of 2006

I'm not here to change anybody's mind... all i'm saying is this: "Mynes will stand behind its tune on cars - BMW, Evo, Mini, or Subaru. But if the tune is altered by someone else, then this warranty is null and void."

Like u said, there are a lot of tuners out there But how many of them will be there to help you when you're at the local tracks?

 

you know whats funny is this guy probably made this thread just so the locals and the outsiders could have a pissing match...

I already stated what i would do and most agreed, i dont think its worth the time nor hassle to continue to fuel the fire that would only burn me localy.

jay and mitch are great tuners i would trust my car to both. end of story

flip a coin and let this thread die

 

if someone screws up the tune, theres no question whos at fault. basically your argument is that you're protecting yourself. totally understandable. you don't want people taking advantage of you.


that's where i feel you are wrong. In america - once the car is yours, so is the code, and the ecu. you are not licensing your ecu. it is physically your property, along with all the code. BMW does not have to give you access to it, and they can try and keep you out of it, but ethically its not wrong for an owner to reverse engineer their own car and modify it. If they were to re-sell the BMW code as their own, obviously thats a completely different issue. The same goes for software - when you buy a computer - they can make you agree to all these crazy license agreements - but none of them will hold up in a court of law.


so you're arguing that because others do it, it must be ok.



Bottom line, I'm sure you guys are great tuners, and do good work. Its just your premise on property ownership is not in line with the majority. Thats kind of why i strongly support ECUFlash - and unlocked tunes, it gives control back to the owner. I own my ecu.

 

I can kind of see where you're coming from - but if a shop does well the owner of a board can only do so much to sway people his way. That's why a forum is only as good as it's members - same with here. You have to know who to read and believe and who to blow off. I also didn't want to get involved picking sides between the two shops - they're both big and established but one of them definitely has a better public image. That's why I said he should spend some time searching and looking around and figure it out for himself.

 

I see nothing wrong with locking the ECU. They are protecting themselves from legal action and protecting intellectual property.

I don't understand the "it's my ECU, I own the tune argument". You DO own the tune, you paid for it, and your car is now showing the benefits of the tune every time you drive it! That is what you paid for! What other form of ownership do you need? The right to distribute the tune to other people? We all know that is wrong. If you plan on tuning the car yourself, why would you go to the tuner in the first place??? If you want to modify a tune, don’t expect the tuner to stand behind their work.