Stage II Stock Turbo IX with Aquamist 464 TQ 416 WHP !
Jan 6, 2008, 03:41 PM
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ok here you have al hitting 418 whp on 27-28 psi. What makes it so hard for you to believe 450 isnt possible with the help of AEM EMS and spiking the the turbo 5 more psi then al is. I also think Al couldve did atleast 440 on that car with ems and more psi.
you said before 4ws did 438 on stock ecu. what makes it so unbelieve that with fine tuning on ems 4ws easly couldve done more hp aswell.
stock turbo build on ems. no maf u could use intake mani porting, ect.. list could go on to get more power.
as far as proof such as dyno graphs or videos. as i mentioned before. this guy isnt on forums. he is a local around here we seen at a dyno day.
you said before 4ws did 438 on stock ecu. what makes it so unbelieve that with fine tuning on ems 4ws easly couldve done more hp aswell.
stock turbo build on ems. no maf u could use intake mani porting, ect.. list could go on to get more power.
as far as proof such as dyno graphs or videos. as i mentioned before. this guy isnt on forums. he is a local around here we seen at a dyno day.
sure its doable.... he could have made another 15whp and 20trq but it wouldnt have been any faster on the street, thats just a dyno number... with cams, o2, header, licp he would have made another useable 30whp and 20-30wtrq.
without proof, claims are as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop
Jan 6, 2008, 06:08 PM
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This is a valid observation
In most cases I am very gentle on cars being road tested after a dyno tune
In this case - the principal objective of the car was to have a fast street racing machine, thus we needed to test it on one pass with a full 1st - through 5th simulated racing run to make sure there were no rough spots or hesitation between shifts
On most if not all test drives I take I take the customer with me so they can observe everything that is going on and ask them before I take a simulated run through the gears
In most cases I am very gentle on cars being road tested after a dyno tune
In this case - the principal objective of the car was to have a fast street racing machine, thus we needed to test it on one pass with a full 1st - through 5th simulated racing run to make sure there were no rough spots or hesitation between shifts
On most if not all test drives I take I take the customer with me so they can observe everything that is going on and ask them before I take a simulated run through the gears
Jan 6, 2008, 06:25 PM
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You disconnect the WGA on a IX Turbo, and it will instantly Spike at over 33 psi on a Dyno Pull started at under 3000 rpms.
Something has got to be wrong with the Boost Gauge on this car.
I have looked at the Video and the Dyno Plot.
No way a Stock Turbo is going to hold that much HP until past 7000 rpms as shown on the Graph, on Stock Cams, at 27 psi peak, droping to 20 psi with those Mods.
Does not make sence, if the Line to the WGA was off.
The car is making too much power for the Mods listed at those Boost Levels.
I personally don't believe it. I am sorry.
Jan 6, 2008, 07:15 PM
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Okay thats what I kinda figured. I have been following your Aquamist videos and they are quite impressive. One question for you since it looks like your experience with Aquamist is pretty good...what kit do you think is best for a bolt on Evo IX with stock turbo or FPGreen, the HFS-1 or HFS-5. Have you found any drawbacks of either one or something you prefer over the other?
prefer the HFS 1 as it seems to make more sense for where we need more alcohol in the powerband. The 5 is a great kit but it delivers the most alcohol in areas of the power band we need less and visa versa. The HFS 1 is cheaper and works better IMHO
Jan 6, 2008, 07:23 PM
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You disconnect the WGA on a IX Turbo, and it will instantly Spike at over 33 psi on a Dyno Pull started at under 3000 rpms.
Something has got to be wrong with the Boost Gauge on this car.
I have looked at the Video and the Dyno Plot.
No way a Stock Turbo is going to hold that much HP until past 7000 rpms as shown on the Graph, on Stock Cams, at 27 psi peak, droping to 20 psi with those Mods.
Does not make sence, if the Line to the WGA was off.
The car is making too much power for the Mods listed at those Boost Levels.
I personally don't believe it. I am sorry.
Something has got to be wrong with the Boost Gauge on this car.
I have looked at the Video and the Dyno Plot.
No way a Stock Turbo is going to hold that much HP until past 7000 rpms as shown on the Graph, on Stock Cams, at 27 psi peak, droping to 20 psi with those Mods.
Does not make sence, if the Line to the WGA was off.
The car is making too much power for the Mods listed at those Boost Levels.
I personally don't believe it. I am sorry.
Jan 6, 2008, 07:38 PM
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All cars are different. They all make different power. Some cars are freaks from the factory and some of them are lemons. Just like some cars have bad idle with atmospheric bovs and some do not. Al has no reason to make false claims. He has already proved himself all around North America. I mean he proved himself to me. 
Jan 6, 2008, 07:55 PM
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I don't have a reason to be in this case.
I own one of the best 20G performing Evos in "North America".
I have been doing this for a while, just like you. You do need "to keep going forward and figuring things out".
I know what you mean about "it is what it is".
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Jan 6, 2008, 08:06 PM
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I am not a hater nor a neighsayer, as you put it.
I don't have a reason to be in this case.
I own one of the best 20G performing Evos in "North America".
I have been doing this for a while, just like you. You do need "to keep going forward and figuring things out". Like better Marketing, to start.
We know about your past parts testings, results and claims. So yes, it is what it is, .
I don't have a reason to be in this case.
I own one of the best 20G performing Evos in "North America".
I have been doing this for a while, just like you. You do need "to keep going forward and figuring things out". Like better Marketing, to start.
We know about your past parts testings, results and claims. So yes, it is what it is,
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Jan 7, 2008, 08:46 AM
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All this bickering over silly dyno numbers. Who cares about dyno records. With that power, this car should run 121mph maybe even faster. If he goes to the track and runs 119mph... case closed. I for one, dont believe for a remote second, 464ft/lb of tq was made with "27-28" psi. Thats just way too hard to believe. Most people with stockers making 410-420tq are at LEAST running 30psi. Youre telling me this guy made 30-40 MORE TORQUE with 3psi less!!! Ha!
Jan 7, 2008, 08:52 AM
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wow, stock TURBO?? this is going to make ppl think why buy a Green or any other turbo...
so what kind of numbers should i be seeing with this set-up that is almost done on my car....
FP Green 10.5hs (ported/coated)
HKS 272s
Ported Mani (coated)
HKS RS Intake
stainless 02 Housing (coated)
AMS LICP
3in TBE w/ cat delete
Aquamist HFS-5 @ 100% meth (to start)
Greddy EBC (shooting for 31psi)
and Prolite flywheel(for whever that adds...)
and im at about 700ft elv.
Im asking cause that kind of power with the Stock 9 turbo is crazy...im guess i should make atleast that...
so what kind of numbers should i be seeing with this set-up that is almost done on my car....
FP Green 10.5hs (ported/coated)
HKS 272s
Ported Mani (coated)
HKS RS Intake
stainless 02 Housing (coated)
AMS LICP
3in TBE w/ cat delete
Aquamist HFS-5 @ 100% meth (to start)
Greddy EBC (shooting for 31psi)
and Prolite flywheel(for whever that adds...)
and im at about 700ft elv.
Im asking cause that kind of power with the Stock 9 turbo is crazy...im guess i should make atleast that...