which intercooler..
That thread is ridiculous. The point behind it was to smash the Ebay intercooler and to show how inferior other intercoolers were to his race. Does that mean slapping on his race fmic will outperform all others? Not at all. It would definitely hurt your spool up significantly. I would assume since he doesn't expect to get higher than 370whp then he doesn't need a race intercooler.
Talk to Tom @ ETS. Products are top notch as well as customer service. He is always on AIM and very easy to get ahold of for all your questions.
I just went with their 3" ic,licp,uicp
I just went with their 3" ic,licp,uicp
this is about the 1,000,001 thread I have read like this, and to a point feel guilty about contributing to. RevoMoto made a good point on HP:dollar spent ratio. And ebay if it does infact make 14 whp is the cheapest. I haven't had one or seen on in person but I am just going to say that quality control is probably a little less then you would get from another vendor, especially a vendor that races and uses their own products. Again you are going to need to match the intercooler to the turbo you are running. ETS 3.5in core was a good choice for me as its good for stock - 50trim setups. AMS, Buschur, ETS, are all going to be good. what sold me on ETS was that it was a good upgrade, cheaper then the rest, and no modification or cutting. From what I have seen a lot of tests conducted are showing differences the closer you get to running out of the efficiency range of the IC. Also do not be biased on numbers alone. One may out perform repeatedly and one might heat soak immediately after a few pulls. Go with a product offered from a company that races and uses their parts. just my opinion. good luck with your choice
Ebay intercooler: Made me about 14whp(after more tuning) cost $127= $9.07 per hp
Buschur intercooler: lets say 20whp average of what others have made(best ever) cost $759 + shipping so $800= $40 per hp
ETS 3.5 intercooler: makes the same power that I have seen as the ebay so 14whp(great quality) cost $570 + shipping so $610= $43.60 per hp
Anyone can take this how they want it and don't quote me on numbers. This is from info that I have collected. Simple question is if the cost outweighs the gains. We can clearly see what is the best bang for the buck. To me the $27 total cost in the end was worth the swap. I am not here to sell ebay parts but am one who have shown that they work.
Buschur intercooler: lets say 20whp average of what others have made(best ever) cost $759 + shipping so $800= $40 per hp
ETS 3.5 intercooler: makes the same power that I have seen as the ebay so 14whp(great quality) cost $570 + shipping so $610= $43.60 per hp
Anyone can take this how they want it and don't quote me on numbers. This is from info that I have collected. Simple question is if the cost outweighs the gains. We can clearly see what is the best bang for the buck. To me the $27 total cost in the end was worth the swap. I am not here to sell ebay parts but am one who have shown that they work.
revmoto...a hundred bucks for your e-bay intercooler?
and yes i have the stock turbo? and whats with all these people saying ?why waste my money? im not going to waste time and get into detail but its an uprgrade that should be made whether im going to be running a larger turbo or not. better cooling is better cooling.
still i would like to know and hear from the people using the e-bay intercooler.
and yes i have the stock turbo? and whats with all these people saying ?why waste my money? im not going to waste time and get into detail but its an uprgrade that should be made whether im going to be running a larger turbo or not. better cooling is better cooling.
still i would like to know and hear from the people using the e-bay intercooler.
That is the APS unit. I would only suggest that you go with one of our vendors. The APS products are at most of equal worth, as far as value and performance, than the ETS, AMS, and Buschur units, to name a few. Just support the vendors online. 
The problem with your argument is you assume consistent quality on any eBay intercooler, and this is simply not true. There are decent eBay no-name parts, and then there are junk eBay parts. The problem is trying to figure out which are which. One thing you can say about Buschur, AMS, Perrin, ETS, etc. is that their quality is pretty consistent - high quality. I've seen guys on here crying about their eBay O2 housings and how they turned out to be junk, while others have had good luck with them. I'd rather ensure the quality of the product I'm getting and am willing to pay for it. If your priorities are different, then that will dictate which way you should go. But eBay intercoolers are not the slam dunk that some represent they are.
Well said, and heres a nice quote from Kevin Kiggly which brings up a good point people overlook.
The EBAY generic intercoolers have reasonable pressure drop, but cool very poorly.
The super-cheap part that was on my car at the conclusion of last season was the biggest EBAY core, 24x12x4 core size. I saw:
8.99 at 153mph at 35psi pass:
92F start of pass, about 20F above ambient
145F end of pass
~2.5psi drop from turbo outlet to intake plenum w/2.5" piping and stock 60mm TB, 2.3L @ 8500rpm
A friend's car with a similar-sized Garrett core hangs out around 5-10F above ambient and even at 44psi sees less than 10F temperature rise during a pass. We are using the same (GM) air temperature sensors. I'm switching over to one of the Garrett cores over the winter.
Yes, you can run fast on the EBAY stuff. You can also do a lot better with better stuff. You get what you pay for here.
Kevin
The super-cheap part that was on my car at the conclusion of last season was the biggest EBAY core, 24x12x4 core size. I saw:
8.99 at 153mph at 35psi pass:
92F start of pass, about 20F above ambient
145F end of pass
~2.5psi drop from turbo outlet to intake plenum w/2.5" piping and stock 60mm TB, 2.3L @ 8500rpm
A friend's car with a similar-sized Garrett core hangs out around 5-10F above ambient and even at 44psi sees less than 10F temperature rise during a pass. We are using the same (GM) air temperature sensors. I'm switching over to one of the Garrett cores over the winter.
Yes, you can run fast on the EBAY stuff. You can also do a lot better with better stuff. You get what you pay for here.
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than any of the big aftermarket ones.thats MHO.
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was looking around and i found this....
looks like EBAY intercoolers can really work
Default 2 liter, BR GT35r header kit, EBAY (AMS STYLE) FMIC
Starting AIT 64.40 degrees
Ending AIT 122 degrees
Peak boost 42.1 psi
20 psi at 4563 rpm
2.3 liter, AMS GT35r, AMS standard FMIC
Starting AIT, 102.2 degrees
Ending AIT, 134.6 degrees
Peak boost 23.98 psi
20 psi at 4551
2 liter, HKS 3037, AMS standard FMIC
Starting AIT, 104 degrees
Ending AIT, 125.6 degrees
Peak boost, 23.57 psi
20 psi at 4691 rpm
2 liter Turbo Trix T3, GT35r kit ETS 3.5" FMIC
Starting AIT 105.8 degrees
Ending AIT 129.2 degrees
Peak boost 36.31 psi
20 psi at 5086 rpm
some random intercooler temps that were put together for some numbers.
here is the link if interested in more numbers.
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20445
looks like EBAY intercoolers can really work
Default 2 liter, BR GT35r header kit, EBAY (AMS STYLE) FMIC
Starting AIT 64.40 degrees
Ending AIT 122 degrees
Peak boost 42.1 psi
20 psi at 4563 rpm
2.3 liter, AMS GT35r, AMS standard FMIC
Starting AIT, 102.2 degrees
Ending AIT, 134.6 degrees
Peak boost 23.98 psi
20 psi at 4551
2 liter, HKS 3037, AMS standard FMIC
Starting AIT, 104 degrees
Ending AIT, 125.6 degrees
Peak boost, 23.57 psi
20 psi at 4691 rpm
2 liter Turbo Trix T3, GT35r kit ETS 3.5" FMIC
Starting AIT 105.8 degrees
Ending AIT 129.2 degrees
Peak boost 36.31 psi
20 psi at 5086 rpm
some random intercooler temps that were put together for some numbers.
here is the link if interested in more numbers.
http://buschurforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20445
The problem with your argument is you assume consistent quality on any eBay intercooler, and this is simply not true. There are decent eBay no-name parts, and then there are junk eBay parts. The problem is trying to figure out which are which. One thing you can say about Buschur, AMS, Perrin, ETS, etc. is that their quality is pretty consistent - high quality. I've seen guys on here crying about their eBay O2 housings and how they turned out to be junk, while others have had good luck with them. I'd rather ensure the quality of the product I'm getting and am willing to pay for it. If your priorities are different, then that will dictate which way you should go. But eBay intercoolers are not the slam dunk that some represent they are.