Notices
Evo Engine / Turbo / Drivetrain Everything from engine management to the best clutch and flywheel.

New Launching Aide Innovation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:05 PM
  #211  
Indy Evo's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,113
Likes: 0
From: Nitro Alley, IN
edited

Last edited by Indy Evo; Mar 22, 2008 at 10:15 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:16 PM
  #212  
midwestmonster's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Thanks. I will.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:36 PM
  #213  
tabio42's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 443
Likes: 0
midwest monster - with the AEM you will have a lot of options. I see that you were tuned by AMS and I am positive they can set it up for you.

The EMS has a bunch of spare inputs (switches) that you need to ground to activate. Then you can configure your high side (switch to power) or low side (switch to ground) outputs to switch over a relay to activate the launch aide when your input switch has been activated. Then you set parameters for your output based on RPM, Load, TPS, Vehicle Speed.

I was thinking the easiest way to do it is just have it turn off at a specific speed before you shift into second. That way you just flip a switch at the beginning of your run to turn it on and just drive. The EMS will automatically turn it off.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:43 PM
  #214  
urslo4n8's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 609
Likes: 1
From: Long Island, NY (Hurry up and wait)
THATS an awesome idea. Esp the ON/OFF switch
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:47 PM
  #215  
midwestmonster's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
Originally Posted by tabio42
midwest monster - with the AEM you will have a lot of options. I see that you were tuned by AMS and I am positive they can set it up for you.

The EMS has a bunch of spare inputs (switches) that you need to ground to activate. Then you can configure your high side (switch to power) or low side (switch to ground) outputs to switch over a relay to activate the launch aide when your input switch has been activated. Then you set parameters for your output based on RPM, Load, TPS, Vehicle Speed.

I was thinking the easiest way to do it is just have it turn off at a specific speed before you shift into second. That way you just flip a switch at the beginning of your run to turn it on and just drive. The EMS will automatically turn it off.
I like the sound of this! I can't wait for this to be finalized for release.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 06:37 PM
  #216  
shunderwunder's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 911
Likes: 0
From: Alpharetta GA
Originally Posted by tabio42
midwest monster - with the AEM you will have a lot of options. I see that you were tuned by AMS and I am positive they can set it up for you.

The EMS has a bunch of spare inputs (switches) that you need to ground to activate. Then you can configure your high side (switch to power) or low side (switch to ground) outputs to switch over a relay to activate the launch aide when your input switch has been activated. Then you set parameters for your output based on RPM, Load, TPS, Vehicle Speed.

I was thinking the easiest way to do it is just have it turn off at a specific speed before you shift into second. That way you just flip a switch at the beginning of your run to turn it on and just drive. The EMS will automatically turn it off.
Thats bad a$$. Now I really want an AEM EMS.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 06:47 PM
  #217  
Indy Evo's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,113
Likes: 0
From: Nitro Alley, IN
Contact Buschur he will have (10) Version 1's at the end of this week.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 07:25 PM
  #218  
midwestmonster's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 883
Likes: 0
From: Illinois
With the AEM setup, would I want Version 1 or Version 2? Would there be any advantages of running version 2 with an AEM? Thanks.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 07:26 PM
  #219  
CO_VR4's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (83)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,063
Likes: 5
From: Colorado
Originally Posted by lexat20
Now if you could just make a contraption that will shift 1-2 2-3 and 3-4 perfect everytime.
Already built. It's called a sequential shifter.
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 07:49 PM
  #220  
CO_VR4's Avatar
Evolved Member
iTrader: (83)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,063
Likes: 5
From: Colorado
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
gsnt, you are being fooled with the video. In the video the unit was not working correctly. The clutch pedal does NOT stay to the floor. This is why you think it is illegal. The clutch pedal is actually pushed to the floor and the button is then depressed. When it comes time to launch you simply pop the clutch as quickly as possible, so it is foot operated. This is simply a valve to keep the clutch from releasing to quickly or to slowly. So it is in fact 100% legal.

The difference between this and the factory restrictor is the factory restrictor is in effect 100% of the time. So each gear change there is some restriction taking place. This only works when you want it to on the launch, not on each gear change.
Two questions, Dave:

1. When will version 2 be done?, and
2. Would you compare the effects of this setup with the action of the Tilton clutch valve that they advertise as doing something similar in terms of cushioning the clutch release?

Thanks...
Reply
Old Mar 18, 2008 | 09:05 PM
  #221  
tabio42's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 443
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by midwestmonster
With the AEM setup, would I want Version 1 or Version 2? Would there be any advantages of running version 2 with an AEM? Thanks.

Hmm I don't know how the version 2 normally (without ECU help) knows when to stop working. The version 2 has the benefit of not needing to use your foot after pressing in the clutch I gather. But when you release the button to dump the clutch, do you have to do something else to make it stop working for second gear?

But to answer your question directly - it is a matter of personal preference. With the EMS you will have the same functionality with both. That is, the computer can still turn the launch aide off at a certain preset point. So if you want to dump the clutch by foot you get version 1. If you want to dump the clutch by pressing/releasing a button you get version 2.

Shunderwunder - I am sure Dave Buschur would be happy to sell you an EMS (and tune it) along with your launch aide
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2008 | 02:17 AM
  #222  
Indy Evo's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,113
Likes: 0
From: Nitro Alley, IN
Version 2 is done and will be tested in a very well known Evo soon. My component differs from the Tilton in the fact it can be adjusted without the valve being disassembled and a re bleed, and after the clutch is released all the fluid is returned like normal ie. not thru the valve for all the remaining shifts. This valve is adjustable from no flow to 100% flow. Version 2 would still be launched by a switch and controled by the AEM. If you have a standard ecu you would need two buttons one momentary for launch and another, on off push type to disable the slip circut. Thanks

Last edited by Indy Evo; Mar 19, 2008 at 02:57 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2008 | 06:41 AM
  #223  
apeximprt2nr's Avatar
Evolving Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 155
Likes: 0
From: North Jersey
Price???
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2008 | 06:49 AM
  #224  
Indy Evo's Avatar
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (41)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,113
Likes: 0
From: Nitro Alley, IN
Please contact Buschur Racing or ICS their numbers are in the first page of the thread. ICS is close by and they can handle the install as they have done U2SLO's

Last edited by Indy Evo; Mar 19, 2008 at 08:37 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2008 | 08:34 AM
  #225  
turboDan's Avatar
Account Disabled
iTrader: (172)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 836
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Indy Evo
Version 2 is done and will be tested in a very well known Evo soon. My component differs from the Tilton in the fact it can be adjusted without the valve being disassembled and a re bleed, and after the clutch is released all the fluid is returned like normal ie. not thru the valve for all the remaining shifts. This valve is adjustable from no flow to 100% flow. Version 2 would still be launched by a switch and controled by the AEM. If you have a standard ecu you would need two buttons one momentary for launch and another, on off push type to disable the slip circut. Thanks
Seeing that Version 2 will more than likely be used by the TRUE RACERS,not the test and tune,get my bragging rights TIMESLIP for the internet weekend warriors,then the AEM will most likely be the ECU of choice. How about this for an added "option" for Version 2? Incorperate a "line lock" as well,off the same TRANS BRAKE button used to activate the Launch Solenoid so that once the PRE-STAGE light is lit you roll into the stage beam,press clutch to floor,press the "Launch Button" which in turn also activates your "line lock" so that when you get vehicle up on the 2-step it will NEVER roll through the beams and when light drops you let go of button,which in turn activates clutch and releases line lock,consistant launches every time....also you get pretty much same roll out as well as your car will NOT move once it is activated? Sounds like a version 2a will be available soon if enough interest is made to move forward
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:32 AM.