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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 03:52 PM
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Stolen thoughts from Simon Norris on T04Z

Just ran into this and thought I'd cut and paste it over here...

Originally Posted by Norris Designs
Just a quick spec for anyone who is interested in it; It is a long rod 2.0 (156mm rod) with an all new ND T04Z turbokit, same as usual ND spec head etc.....

It made 625Hp and 515LbFt (2.3Bar Boost) with FULL boost by 4000Rpm and rev limit at 8500Rpm, but the best thing is it suffers from ZERO surge unlike the GT35R, due to this fact it actually makes full boost earlier than the GT35R. Its a test spec I wanted to try to improve high rpm power and reduce/eliminate surge, operation complete!

We are now selling these kits to the public and have already sold some!

With a JUN inlet manifold this spec made 650Hp and 530LbFt (Super Unleaded) with SAFE ignition timing, I expect it to make more on a stroker and approx 100Hp and 100LbFt more on VP Import.

Cheers all

Si




Another thread here about this turbo:

http://www.lancerregister.com/showthread.php?t=199860
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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nice on crcain! norris design dose it agian.

now just hold on tight for all the flamers moaning about the spool/dyno! lol

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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 05:54 AM
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Why is he not on this board?

Not that I care if he is...

FYI, the HTA series turbo, don't have surging.
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vwjeff
Why is he not on this board?

Not that I care if he is...

FYI, the HTA series turbo, don't have surging.
He hardly posts on the UK board so I don't see how he'd make it over here I guess. I'm not sure why you don't care if he would be on the board. He does some cool stuff with 4G63!

VW... I am by far not an expert on surging... but, the HTA does not surge *I think* because of it's anti-surge cover on the compressor housing. Now I'm just wondering, is it possible that when you need a surge cover like this, what's happening is the turbo is sort of working against itself? Someone who understands this more can chime in. I certainly don't.
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 08:07 AM
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crcain, read my post above! tld you someone would jump in and start flaming him! lol

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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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New dyno result with T04Z... looks like this guy sold his twin scroll kit for this setup....

Thread here:

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...hreadid=199928

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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Our 35R kits with a ported shroud doesn't surge either.

Nice numbers, we would love to have an engine dyno

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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AutoMotoSports
Our 35R kits with a ported shroud doesn't surge either.

Nice numbers, we would love to have an engine dyno

Eric
Have you tried the T04Z AMS? What the heck is it?
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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 09:15 AM
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we have not but moses over at samurai has been beating me up about testing this turbo for him. We simply have not had the time.

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Old Apr 18, 2008 | 09:16 AM
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Those are exceptional numbers. Again on an engine dyno the numbers mean as much as they do on a DLL style calculation.
With that said, a good solid curve, before and after results speak for themselves.
Norris has always done some exceptional work, so it isn't hard to believe that he has done a great job with this as well.
just don't get hung up with a numerical value that means didley.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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AMS or DTM you guys need to try this turbo! it would be nice to get some 'US' numbers on this trubo to try and compear to to what you guys are seeing on your dynos.

could this be the next 'to have' turbo??

what so special about this trubo? dose it still use GT wheels or the older Tseries stuff??

cheers

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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 05:47 AM
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Remember that an engine dyno creates a much larger load on the engine and would cause the turbo to spool up quicker .
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoop_ass
Remember that an engine dyno creates a much larger load on the engine and would cause the turbo to spool up quicker .
Well two things... I think engine dynos can be loaded however you want. So you'd have to suspect Norris would set it up so it was similar to the load you'd see on the road. Norris isn't trying to sell anything here... like many vendors... he is just answering questions about his own build.

Secondly, he says it spools better than a GT35R... regardless of how the dyno loads the engine, it's interesting to see someone say they've essentially found a GT35R killer.

I agree with the essence of your comments Whoop_Ass... just pointing out that I think the results here are more true than the false.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 08:54 AM
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Well we have tested a few versions of the T04Z wheel, maybe not in Norris' configuration but none the less similar found here:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=dtm
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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=dtm

The basis was something large than a 37R and smaller than a 42R with a 94mm exducer.
The results were great. The T04Z is a great turbo if setup properly with the right head work and bottom end rpm capacity.
Now The standard 35R is a great turbo, BUT there are many good options out there now.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DTM
Well we have tested a few versions of the T04Z wheel, maybe not in Norris' configuration but none the less similar found here:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=dtm
And
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&highlight=dtm

The basis was something large than a 37R and smaller than a 42R with a 94mm exducer.
The results were great. The T04Z is a great turbo if setup properly with the right head work and bottom end rpm capacity.
Now The standard 35R is a great turbo, BUT there are many good options out there now.

Thats awsome. When you gonna have more testing done?
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