View Poll Results: Which kit is best in your opinion?
Basic 35R turbo kit
5
3.57%
HTA35R turbo kit
58
41.43%
TwinScroll 35R turbo kit
13
9.29%
TwinScroll HTA35r turbo kit
64
45.71%
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Which 35R setup is the best? Three Different Shops, Three different answers.
Until we see a twin scroll HTA35R or regular 35r like Evodan has put down some serious trap times then I would pick the single scroll HTA a la AMS and Buschur if your goal is street monster and weekend warrior drag car. But to get the full potential like we see in the recent Bushcur pump gas videos, you need to hand over a blank check to Mr. Buschur and expect to spend between 20-25k for the real deal.
I really want to see a car like Evodans built to it's full potential to see what it can really do at 35psi plus. He had great results with his TS 30r. To Evodan and the other person who said they didn't prefer the HTA with TS, why is that? It's only there to improve low and midrange torque so why would that hamper a 35r twin scroll setup, wouldn't it theoretically just make it even better with spool and torque? With the Buschur cars trapping so high and his RS HTA35 trapping 150+, besides it being more expensive what could be a negative? Is there something I'm missing.
I really want to see a car like Evodans built to it's full potential to see what it can really do at 35psi plus. He had great results with his TS 30r. To Evodan and the other person who said they didn't prefer the HTA with TS, why is that? It's only there to improve low and midrange torque so why would that hamper a 35r twin scroll setup, wouldn't it theoretically just make it even better with spool and torque? With the Buschur cars trapping so high and his RS HTA35 trapping 150+, besides it being more expensive what could be a negative? Is there something I'm missing.
Last edited by EvoDan2004; May 6, 2008 at 12:52 PM.
the br cars who are running nuclear fast speeds have much more mods then most people see or hear about or even have. built heads built motors, aem ems, custom tunes, running 30psi on pump, and many other factors i wont say. i am sorry but i am on stock ecu stock head stock block stock maf stock trans stock A LOT of things. im also only on a flashed ecu. im really getting tired of people putting me and or my setup down because it did not make the 500hp mark every person wants to see. im sorry i made 440hp on 24 psi on a god damn flash. the car is flashed for 26psi. i dont not know why on the dyno i lost 2psi but i did not have time to tinker around. i ran 126mph on a 30r with pump fuel 27psi. 1.71 60 foot. my 35r dominates my 30r. i have not run it yet at the track. im waiting on a cam swap and a new dp to be finished. then a reflash and to the tracks i go. HTA imho and a few other people's is not what it is made out to be. unless you drop 15k and build a bad bish and the other few cars like it. fact is people what spoolup well twin scroll has proven its self to spoolup faster then any hta same sized turbos. it has not been proven to make more power YET because no one has pushed it to its limits yet. witch im working on doing but slower then most want to here about.
What are the common numbers for stock motors + gt35rs making?
I believe its around 450-500whp.
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Jeff from Full-race has mentioned in previous threads that he doesn't think the HTA compressor mod is a good match for a garrett twin-scroll 35r. Evodan seems to have had great results with spool and driveability on his ts 35r setup, but no-one knows how much top-end it can make yet and he does not have the HTA mod. I have been ready to spend a large chunk of cash on a turbo upgrade for a while and I was really hoping the ts HTA 35r combo would provide the best of both worlds (fast spool, great driveablity, and excellent top-end), but no one has posted any dyno numbers or timeslips that prove it can make as much power as a single scroll HTA35r. I have also seen a few posts in the past where Jeff mentioned his belief that a ts gt4088r will outspool a 35r and have more top-end as well. One of my fellow DSMers (twicks69) made over 740whp on C16 with a 2.3 and a ts4088 and I think over 600whp on pump. He claims that it spools faster than his previous little mitsu hotside scm6176 (same turbo I have now) and he expects to squeeze over 800whp out of it with more boost and better tuning in the future. I'm not sure about you EVO boys, but I can pick up a DNP divided T4 mani for $550, a tial 44mm gate for $350 a custom 3.5" 02 eliminator DP for $300 as well as a T4 .96A/R ts bb vband gt4088r for around $1,675 and I think it will outperform all the turbo "kits" listed above. Of course, like DB was suggesting without a stage 3 head, a huge and efficient FMIC, 272 or larger cams, a cop ignition, and an awesome clutch and transmission it won't really matter what "kit" you buy.
Last edited by jkimes; May 6, 2008 at 05:35 PM.
I personally cant see why having the HTA mod on a twin scroll set up would make it run poorly. At the very least I predict it will run the same as a standad 35R.
Logically thinking, using anti-surge turbine housing (HTA) should actually provide some sort of benifit. That's what i'm hoping anyway.
All though it will be some time away yet (maybe around the end of this year) I plan to push the HTA twin scroll set up to the limit using a fully built head and block, stand alone, etc.
Time will tell.
Logically thinking, using anti-surge turbine housing (HTA) should actually provide some sort of benifit. That's what i'm hoping anyway.
All though it will be some time away yet (maybe around the end of this year) I plan to push the HTA twin scroll set up to the limit using a fully built head and block, stand alone, etc.
Time will tell.
I hear ya. I dont have the cash to do that right now but I think it'll be fine.
I personally cant see why having the HTA mod on a twin scroll set up would make it run poorly. At the very least I predict it will run the same as a standad 35R.
Logically thinking, using anti-surge turbine housing (HTA) should actually provide some sort of benifit. That's what i'm hoping anyway.
All though it will be some time away yet (maybe around the end of this year) I plan to push the HTA twin scroll set up to the limit using a fully built head and block, stand alone, etc.
Time will tell.
Logically thinking, using anti-surge turbine housing (HTA) should actually provide some sort of benifit. That's what i'm hoping anyway.
All though it will be some time away yet (maybe around the end of this year) I plan to push the HTA twin scroll set up to the limit using a fully built head and block, stand alone, etc.
Time will tell.
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Joined: Apr 2004
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From: san antonio
the br cars who are running nuclear fast speeds have much more mods then most people see or hear about or even have. built heads built motors, aem ems, custom tunes, running 30psi on pump, and many other factors i wont say. i am sorry but i am on stock ecu stock head stock block stock maf stock trans stock A LOT of things. im also only on a flashed ecu. im really getting tired of people putting me and or my setup down because it did not make the 500hp mark every person wants to see. im sorry i made 440hp on 24 psi on a god damn flash. the car is flashed for 26psi. i dont not know why on the dyno i lost 2psi but i did not have time to tinker around. i ran 126mph on a 30r with pump fuel 27psi. 1.71 60 foot. my 35r dominates my 30r. i have not run it yet at the track. im waiting on a cam swap and a new dp to be finished. then a reflash and to the tracks i go. HTA imho and a few other people's is not what it is made out to be. unless you drop 15k and build a bad bish and the other few cars like it. fact is people what spoolup well twin scroll has proven its self to spoolup faster then any hta same sized turbos. it has not been proven to make more power YET because no one has pushed it to its limits yet. witch im working on doing but slower then most want to here about.
I wasn't trying to put your setup down. The results you had with the ts 30r speak for themselves, it spooled almost like a green and you trapped 126 at 26psi, the best I've seen a 30r perform on an evo. I wish I had $ to throw around for a full BR build and test a fully built Full Race or Shearer TS turbo setup to compare to the BR HTA single scroll monster cars. I thought by now we would have a baller with a full TS build with some trap times on race gas 33psi+. I need to be more patient.
What are you trying to imply when you say "and many other factors I won't say". Are you trying to imply there's deception going on? I don't want to misinterpet you but when I read it that's what it sounded like.