Indy Intake Manifold power bands and availability.
No the intake manifold will not effect reliability or drivability. The car will need to be tuned regardless of which one you buy.
I'm glad you asked the question though. The thing I find the nicest about using the factory modified intake manifold is you truly do not need to worry about reliability. Unlike many of the fabricated sheetmetal intakes that have fallen short in the reliability department, the stock piece was designed by Mitsubishi to basically last forever.
You won't find a stock intake that has blown open, cracked the runners or had any thing break off of it.
It's also great to have a part that bolts on without trying to figure out where to put your map sensor, PCV, dipstick tube, brake booster fitting or worry about if the map sensor is in the correct location to read boost or not (you know some claim that alone to be worth 421.6 whp.....yeah, OK, please someone point out that magic MAP sensor location to me! haha). Not to mention it requires no modification of any wires, hoses, upper i/c pipes or anything else for that matter.
I like stock stuff.
I'm glad you asked the question though. The thing I find the nicest about using the factory modified intake manifold is you truly do not need to worry about reliability. Unlike many of the fabricated sheetmetal intakes that have fallen short in the reliability department, the stock piece was designed by Mitsubishi to basically last forever.
You won't find a stock intake that has blown open, cracked the runners or had any thing break off of it.
It's also great to have a part that bolts on without trying to figure out where to put your map sensor, PCV, dipstick tube, brake booster fitting or worry about if the map sensor is in the correct location to read boost or not (you know some claim that alone to be worth 421.6 whp.....yeah, OK, please someone point out that magic MAP sensor location to me! haha). Not to mention it requires no modification of any wires, hoses, upper i/c pipes or anything else for that matter.
I like stock stuff.
wicked E, I'm sure he will see that and he can do that if he choses. I know Tom and myself contact him a lot through PM's here, so some of them are probably useful to him.
The bottom line is dealing with the public is a tough thing to do (haha, you wouldn't expect ME to say that being how nice I am would you?!) and he just wants to design parts and supply them to one person, no questions, no hassle, now worrying about how or when he is getting paid.
The bottom line is dealing with the public is a tough thing to do (haha, you wouldn't expect ME to say that being how nice I am would you?!) and he just wants to design parts and supply them to one person, no questions, no hassle, now worrying about how or when he is getting paid.
Thanks bud!
If you want to extract the maximum potential out of any set up, the AEM or some other full stand alone is the way to go. Certainly not trying to answer DB's question but I am just going off my personal experience.
some1 said that math don't lie, which is 100% true.
I think this whole torque, rpm and hp thing deserve all the attention.
maybe it's the smoothing, maybe smthg else, but it's a fact in this particular issue the dyno is giving wrong and missleading results, which makes me wonder abt the whole graph correctness.
that's just my honest opinion
I think this whole torque, rpm and hp thing deserve all the attention.
maybe it's the smoothing, maybe smthg else, but it's a fact in this particular issue the dyno is giving wrong and missleading results, which makes me wonder abt the whole graph correctness.
that's just my honest opinion
So the VO according to the webpage is 15whp over stock? Isn't the regular 95$ ported mani good for just about the same? Hopefully I'm missing something, as 500$ is a lot of money to spend for the same gain but to be able to say I have an Indy part 
No thats incorrect.. The v0 which hasnt been completed yet will be tested end of this week or beginning of next.. We will keep you informed of the results..
blue evo, I don't know, as you can see there is a loss of power in that area. A logical person would have to assume you can feel a loss in power in that RPM range.
Anyone looking for more HP has to always consider where they want the power and what the car is used for. I'd say if you have a stock engine with a 7800 rpm rev limiter and a stock turbo then looking to add an intake to your EVO isn't a wise investment.
If you have a GT35R then that's a different story or an engine that you are running higher in the RPM ranges.
I get emails and PM's by the boat load. I always have guys ask me "What turbo should I get?" My answer is, "How do you like how the stock turbo feels when it hits boost down low and set you back?" If there answer is "I love that!" Then I don't suggest a 35r. If a guy drives his car in traffic and city mostly he is not going to get to enjoy his 10,000 rpm revlimit and 700 hp big turbo car much.
Think of your goals, uses for the car and base your purchasing from that.
Anyone looking for more HP has to always consider where they want the power and what the car is used for. I'd say if you have a stock engine with a 7800 rpm rev limiter and a stock turbo then looking to add an intake to your EVO isn't a wise investment.
If you have a GT35R then that's a different story or an engine that you are running higher in the RPM ranges.
I get emails and PM's by the boat load. I always have guys ask me "What turbo should I get?" My answer is, "How do you like how the stock turbo feels when it hits boost down low and set you back?" If there answer is "I love that!" Then I don't suggest a 35r. If a guy drives his car in traffic and city mostly he is not going to get to enjoy his 10,000 rpm revlimit and 700 hp big turbo car much.
Think of your goals, uses for the car and base your purchasing from that.
blue evo, I don't know, as you can see there is a loss of power in that area. A logical person would have to assume you can feel a loss in power in that RPM range.
Anyone looking for more HP has to always consider where they want the power and what the car is used for. I'd say if you have a stock engine with a 7800 rpm rev limiter and a stock turbo then looking to add an intake to your EVO isn't a wise investment.
If you have a GT35R then that's a different story or an engine that you are running higher in the RPM ranges.
I get emails and PM's by the boat load. I always have guys ask me "What turbo should I get?" My answer is, "How do you like how the stock turbo feels when it hits boost down low and set you back?" If there answer is "I love that!" Then I don't suggest a 35r. If a guy drives his car in traffic and city mostly he is not going to get to enjoy his 10,000 rpm revlimit and 700 hp big turbo car much.
Think of your goals, uses for the car and base your purchasing from that.
Anyone looking for more HP has to always consider where they want the power and what the car is used for. I'd say if you have a stock engine with a 7800 rpm rev limiter and a stock turbo then looking to add an intake to your EVO isn't a wise investment.
If you have a GT35R then that's a different story or an engine that you are running higher in the RPM ranges.
I get emails and PM's by the boat load. I always have guys ask me "What turbo should I get?" My answer is, "How do you like how the stock turbo feels when it hits boost down low and set you back?" If there answer is "I love that!" Then I don't suggest a 35r. If a guy drives his car in traffic and city mostly he is not going to get to enjoy his 10,000 rpm revlimit and 700 hp big turbo car much.
Think of your goals, uses for the car and base your purchasing from that.
. I'm also planning on a FP RED in a month.
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I was having a hard time reading the graph with all the different lines so i removed the torque curves to make it easier to see whats goin on, hope you dont mind.
I have been working on the data I have collected over the last few months of testing and wanted to get some of it out there.
Before I start, I want to make this as clear as possible. STOP CONTACTING INDY EVO ABOUT INTAKE MANIFOLDS. HE IS NOT SELLING THEM, HE DOES NOT WISH TO BE BOTHERED, HE WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOUR PM and quite frankly after I have asked this 3-4 times it is flat out pissing him off that nobody listens to the request. Now if you want the production of new cool stuff to stop go ahead and send him more PM's that he doesn't want, I have the feeling he is very close to walking away from EVO's and going back to the world of real motorsports.
Now on with the program.
Stock intake/Stock throttle body. This was used as the baseline in our testing. The stock intake/stock throttle body makes the most HP and torque from 0-5400 rpm.
Ported stock intake/65 mm throttle body. This has proven good for 15 whp over stock. I do not have any current back to back dyno sheets to give an RPM range where the gains start/stop. The biggest improvement is in a smoothing of the overall curve and an increase in the entire basic range.
Indy V0. This intake is being ported by Wilson Manifolds and the first ones are on their way to us now. These will be tested as soon as I get them and will be compared to the stock ported/65 mm intakes. I will update this thread with information as soon as we can test.
Indy V1. This intake is done/available and has been tested on my RS. Power gains are from 5500 rpm and up compared to stock. Maximum gains were 26 ft lbs at 6400 rpm and 36 whp at 6400 rpm. At 7700 rpm the torque gains were 12 ft lbs while the HP gains were 16 whp.
Indy V2. This intake is done/available and has been tested on my RS. Power gains are from 5600 rpm and up compared to stock. Maximum gains were 29 ft lbs at 6400 rpm and 36 whp at 6300 rpm. At 7700 rpm the torque gains were 12 ft lbs while the HP gains were 27 whp.
I am not putting pricing in this thread because I want it as a review of the power made from the parts and for it to stay in this section. If you are curious on pricing the parts/pricing will be on our website today or tomorrow.
REMEMBER, Mike@AWDMotorsports and Buschur Racing are the only two dealers for these parts. Contacting Indy EVO only aggravates him as he does not want to deal with the public or sales, please DO NOT contact him.
One last thing this intake testing has gone from February when it was much colder than the current testing we are doing now. Testing the new Indy intake manifolds in the heat we are dealing with now makes the gains less (obviously) than had we been able to test everything back when it was freezing cold in February.
Dyno graph with dates and number:
Thanks and enjoy the information.
Before I start, I want to make this as clear as possible. STOP CONTACTING INDY EVO ABOUT INTAKE MANIFOLDS. HE IS NOT SELLING THEM, HE DOES NOT WISH TO BE BOTHERED, HE WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOUR PM and quite frankly after I have asked this 3-4 times it is flat out pissing him off that nobody listens to the request. Now if you want the production of new cool stuff to stop go ahead and send him more PM's that he doesn't want, I have the feeling he is very close to walking away from EVO's and going back to the world of real motorsports.
Now on with the program.
Stock intake/Stock throttle body. This was used as the baseline in our testing. The stock intake/stock throttle body makes the most HP and torque from 0-5400 rpm.
Ported stock intake/65 mm throttle body. This has proven good for 15 whp over stock. I do not have any current back to back dyno sheets to give an RPM range where the gains start/stop. The biggest improvement is in a smoothing of the overall curve and an increase in the entire basic range.
Indy V0. This intake is being ported by Wilson Manifolds and the first ones are on their way to us now. These will be tested as soon as I get them and will be compared to the stock ported/65 mm intakes. I will update this thread with information as soon as we can test.
Indy V1. This intake is done/available and has been tested on my RS. Power gains are from 5500 rpm and up compared to stock. Maximum gains were 26 ft lbs at 6400 rpm and 36 whp at 6400 rpm. At 7700 rpm the torque gains were 12 ft lbs while the HP gains were 16 whp.
Indy V2. This intake is done/available and has been tested on my RS. Power gains are from 5600 rpm and up compared to stock. Maximum gains were 29 ft lbs at 6400 rpm and 36 whp at 6300 rpm. At 7700 rpm the torque gains were 12 ft lbs while the HP gains were 27 whp.
I am not putting pricing in this thread because I want it as a review of the power made from the parts and for it to stay in this section. If you are curious on pricing the parts/pricing will be on our website today or tomorrow.
REMEMBER, Mike@AWDMotorsports and Buschur Racing are the only two dealers for these parts. Contacting Indy EVO only aggravates him as he does not want to deal with the public or sales, please DO NOT contact him.
One last thing this intake testing has gone from February when it was much colder than the current testing we are doing now. Testing the new Indy intake manifolds in the heat we are dealing with now makes the gains less (obviously) than had we been able to test everything back when it was freezing cold in February.
Dyno graph with dates and number:
Thanks and enjoy the information.
Last edited by JC evo1; Jul 8, 2008 at 10:57 PM.
I have to agree with what people are saying about the torque being the same between the two runs up top but the HP being 11whp more.
If you look at around 5800 both run 2 and run 3 torque curves line up, and what do you know, the horsepower is the same.
Horsepower is calculated off torque, there is no arguing to be had about this calculation, it is what it is.
Something glitched from 7500 rpm up. Either the dyno, or the drawing of the plot or the printing of the plot.
Either way it doesn't really matter because the 11whp gains are shown before 7500, and the run 2 and run 3 torque there are different as well.
If you look at around 5800 both run 2 and run 3 torque curves line up, and what do you know, the horsepower is the same.
Horsepower is calculated off torque, there is no arguing to be had about this calculation, it is what it is.
Something glitched from 7500 rpm up. Either the dyno, or the drawing of the plot or the printing of the plot.
Either way it doesn't really matter because the 11whp gains are shown before 7500, and the run 2 and run 3 torque there are different as well.
David, I was under the impression that the V0 added to a stock like turbo (white and green, mabye red?) That the spool will be insanly quick and very responsive, am I wrong on this?