Stick with my HTA35R or keep it simple?
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Stick with my HTA35R or keep it simple?
I currently have my 35R at FP getting the HTA treatment and since then this new red turbo has came out. I know there isn't a whole lot of info on this turbo yet but is the RED going to make better power than the HTA35R on pump? I am doing springs and rod bolts so I can take the 35R to 8500 safely and get its full potential. Im just kinda getting discouraged I guess since the HTA35R was pretty much an easy choice over anything else after the green but now the RED is trapping high 120s right with an HTA35r on pump. decisions decisions..just looking for other peoples input. Also if there are any hta35r owners with pretty much basic modded evos can you post up your trap times on 93?
Keep the HTA 35r for sure if you want the best results on pump... the RED is not going to come close to touching this turbo on PUMP gas!! The HTA 35r will make around 100 more awhp then the RED on pump.. depending on the mods of course.. but if fully built.. 100awhp more
Red = marketing scam.
Green vs Red on the same car with the same mods ~ Red will have more power but, will make little to no difference at the track or on your butt.
Mellon has threads to explain this at length. 2000 bucks for 50ish whp? You make the choice. )
Green vs Red on the same car with the same mods ~ Red will have more power but, will make little to no difference at the track or on your butt.
Mellon has threads to explain this at length. 2000 bucks for 50ish whp? You make the choice. )
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lol thanks guys....I guess I just needed a good kick in the *** to wake me up. It was just tempting seeing guys like Cwill from awdmotorsports trapping 127 on
e85 and stock turbo and im sure he would be trap 130 or better with a red and e85
e85 and stock turbo and im sure he would be trap 130 or better with a red and e85
The Red has already clocked a 10.9 on strictly pump gas. No green has gone 10's on pump, only racegas. Just wait till Trent actually runs it on racegas tune.
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a few thoughts:
1) I suspect the tiny hotside of the RED compared to a 35R is seriously going to hold it back on pump gas, it's going to require race gas/higher octane and more boost/timing to get the big numbers out of it (similar to the green and 3076's issue)
2) buying a turbo based on someone else's e.t. and namely one of the best drivers out there with a lightened car and every mod under the sun would be foolish unless you can duplicate it.
for example: the average Joe I tune on the Green with basic supporting mods (fmic, tbe, cam) will see ~ 380-390awhp on 93 octane. However, when you take someone like 9sec9 that's got stage 3 heads, the best cams and runs 38psi on VP Import space shuttle fuel then yeah you can get 450awhp. Would you base your purchasing decisions on what he's done? unless you're going to do the exact same thing, what another person has done doesn't mean much. Also when people say "bob went 10's on a x turbo, his turbo is amazing" while it is impressive you have to take into account for example: that bob may have gotten a 1.4 60' on slicks and powershifted a gutted car. So again, unless you're going to be gutting yours, running 1.4's running slicks, powershifting and have a featherweight car, you aren't going to be getting anywhere near the performance you thought you were going to get.
Personally I don't think we have enough data on the Red from the average Joe yet to make even an educated guess about what it's going to do for most people, but size matters and I just don't think the Red is going to touch the 35R mod for mod. Hopefully it'll show 50+awhp over the IX turbo on pump gas, that would be a nice upgrade.
1) I suspect the tiny hotside of the RED compared to a 35R is seriously going to hold it back on pump gas, it's going to require race gas/higher octane and more boost/timing to get the big numbers out of it (similar to the green and 3076's issue)
2) buying a turbo based on someone else's e.t. and namely one of the best drivers out there with a lightened car and every mod under the sun would be foolish unless you can duplicate it.
for example: the average Joe I tune on the Green with basic supporting mods (fmic, tbe, cam) will see ~ 380-390awhp on 93 octane. However, when you take someone like 9sec9 that's got stage 3 heads, the best cams and runs 38psi on VP Import space shuttle fuel then yeah you can get 450awhp. Would you base your purchasing decisions on what he's done? unless you're going to do the exact same thing, what another person has done doesn't mean much. Also when people say "bob went 10's on a x turbo, his turbo is amazing" while it is impressive you have to take into account for example: that bob may have gotten a 1.4 60' on slicks and powershifted a gutted car. So again, unless you're going to be gutting yours, running 1.4's running slicks, powershifting and have a featherweight car, you aren't going to be getting anywhere near the performance you thought you were going to get.
Personally I don't think we have enough data on the Red from the average Joe yet to make even an educated guess about what it's going to do for most people, but size matters and I just don't think the Red is going to touch the 35R mod for mod. Hopefully it'll show 50+awhp over the IX turbo on pump gas, that would be a nice upgrade.
a few thoughts:
1) I suspect the tiny hotside of the RED compared to a 35R is seriously going to hold it back on pump gas, it's going to require race gas/higher octane and more boost/timing to get the big numbers out of it (similar to the green and 3076's issue)
2) buying a turbo based on someone else's e.t. and namely one of the best drivers out there with a lightened car and every mod under the sun would be foolish unless you can duplicate it.
for example: the average Joe I tune on the Green with basic supporting mods (fmic, tbe, cam) will see ~ 380-390awhp on 93 octane. However, when you take someone like 9sec9 that's got stage 3 heads, the best cams and runs 38psi on VP Import space shuttle fuel then yeah you can get 450awhp. Would you base your purchasing decisions on what he's done? unless you're going to do the exact same thing, what another person has done doesn't mean much. Also when people say "bob went 10's on a x turbo, his turbo is amazing" while it is impressive you have to take into account for example: that bob may have gotten a 1.4 60' on slicks and powershifted a gutted car. So again, unless you're going to be gutting yours, running 1.4's running slicks, powershifting and have a featherweight car, you aren't going to be getting anywhere near the performance you thought you were going to get.
Personally I don't think we have enough data on the Red from the average Joe yet to make even an educated guess about what it's going to do for most people, but size matters and I just don't think the Red is going to touch the 35R mod for mod. Hopefully it'll show 50+awhp over the IX turbo on pump gas, that would be a nice upgrade.
1) I suspect the tiny hotside of the RED compared to a 35R is seriously going to hold it back on pump gas, it's going to require race gas/higher octane and more boost/timing to get the big numbers out of it (similar to the green and 3076's issue)
2) buying a turbo based on someone else's e.t. and namely one of the best drivers out there with a lightened car and every mod under the sun would be foolish unless you can duplicate it.
for example: the average Joe I tune on the Green with basic supporting mods (fmic, tbe, cam) will see ~ 380-390awhp on 93 octane. However, when you take someone like 9sec9 that's got stage 3 heads, the best cams and runs 38psi on VP Import space shuttle fuel then yeah you can get 450awhp. Would you base your purchasing decisions on what he's done? unless you're going to do the exact same thing, what another person has done doesn't mean much. Also when people say "bob went 10's on a x turbo, his turbo is amazing" while it is impressive you have to take into account for example: that bob may have gotten a 1.4 60' on slicks and powershifted a gutted car. So again, unless you're going to be gutting yours, running 1.4's running slicks, powershifting and have a featherweight car, you aren't going to be getting anywhere near the performance you thought you were going to get.
Personally I don't think we have enough data on the Red from the average Joe yet to make even an educated guess about what it's going to do for most people, but size matters and I just don't think the Red is going to touch the 35R mod for mod. Hopefully it'll show 50+awhp over the IX turbo on pump gas, that would be a nice upgrade.
I don't believe Trents car is gutted nor did he powershift, but i do agree that he did the runs on slicks, 
I'm not worried at all personally because i will be built. I'm just stating that you can't be saying at the track you won't see any difference between a Green and Red. Then again its all on the driver as well.
As far as the op, why would you even considering downgrading? I believe the Red or Green is only a good option if you want to keep it simple or on a budget.
I'm not worried at all personally because i will be built. I'm just stating that you can't be saying at the track you won't see any difference between a Green and Red. Then again its all on the driver as well.As far as the op, why would you even considering downgrading? I believe the Red or Green is only a good option if you want to keep it simple or on a budget.
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It was just an example, the point is you can always look at trap to determine horsepower without first taking into account the weight and you can't always determine realistically what YOUR e.t. is going to be without first taking into account someone else's driving ability, race weight, mods compared to your own.
There's so many threads on EVOm with great e.t./mph that don't tell the whole story and people get all excited about the turbo as if it's the only piece of the puzzle worth discussing.
There's so many threads on EVOm with great e.t./mph that don't tell the whole story and people get all excited about the turbo as if it's the only piece of the puzzle worth discussing.
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i personally think all this FP stuff is BS, you want a real Garrett turbo thats upgraded go with the HKS version, sure its triple the price, but you have no idea what they put into them... ...go ahead hate and tell me its just JDM garbage, i bet the same people will try and tell me power enterprises IHI turbo's are garbage too :/